What fascists understand about the Yids that the Society of Black Lawyers doesn't

What fascists understand about the Yids that the Society of Black Lawyers doesn't

A look at some of the context behind the vicious attack by fascists on Tottenham fans in Rome before the teams met for their Europa League tie.

Considering last weekend's result, it feels pretty odd for me - as an Arsenal fan - to sit down and try to write something about Tottenham that isn't just about how shit they are. But that's what's happening. A couple of things have happened over the past few weeks that means gloating about a derby victory takes a back seat to the other stuff.

The most recent would be the highly organised attack by around 50 Lazio supporters - wearing helmets and armed with bats and knives - on a group of Spurs fans the evening before the teams met in the Europa League group stage. Around ten ended up in hospital, four with serious injuries including one that had been stabbed. The next day, so as to leave little mystery as to why the ambush happened, Lazio fans then chanted "Juden Tottenham" during the game (they also unfurled a 'Free Palestine' banner but that's more stupid than anti-semitic as they hate Arabs and Muslims at least as much as they hate Jews).

The mayor of Rome, Gianni Alemanno, has said that any anti-semitic motive would "heighten the gravity of the attack" and that the events of that night demonstrates that "there are groups of criminals that go around our stadiums pretending to be supporters and this is not admissible".

However, on Alemanno's part, this is pure spin. In all his comments about what happened, one word has been noticeably missing: "fascists". For good reason, he's one of them. Once a youth leader of the neo-fascist Italian Social Movement, Alemanno became mayor in 2008, promising to expel 20,000 illegal immigrants and burn down 85 Romanian gypsy camps around the capital. His victory was celebrated by crowds of people chanting "Duce! Duce!" (an Italian term for 'leader' used for Benito Mussolini) and raising their arms in the fascist Roman salute.

More recently, Alemanno also allowed former far-right terrorist Franco Freda (implicated in the 1967 Piazza Fontana bombing, which killed 17 and injured 88) to use government meeting rooms for a public presentation of his book and even used almost €12 million of state funds to buy a building for the far-right group Casapound in central Rome.

That anti-semitism was the main reason for the attack is pretty obvious. Spurs are known internationally as 'the Jewish team' and Lazio are known for having one of the most unapologetically fascist ultras firms in the world. So it's clear that this wasn't just two football firms fighting each other in the city centre. This was an attack orchestrated by fascist gangs who have basically been given the all clear to do as they please by the mayor of the city. The presence of Roma fans amongst the attackers shows that club rivalry was replaced by political loyalty.

Funnily enough, this attack comes a couple of weeks after the Society of Black Lawyers threatened to make a complaint to the Metropolitan Police, accusing Spurs fans of anti-semitism for calling themselves 'Yids'! Now we can all agree that Tottenham are a massive bunch of cunts, but calling them anti-semites because they refused to be embarrassed about their association with the Jewish community is clearly rubbish. And it shows how empty liberal anti-racism is, obsessed with 'bad words' over the actual relationship and context of the people who use them.

If anything, the events in Rome should have shown the Society of Black Lawyers that rather than spreading anti-semitism, Tottenham fans have been targetted for their proud anti-racist stance. It seems that fascists have understood it, it seems strange that some so-called anti-racists haven't.

Comments

wojtek
Nov 23 2012 16:40

Sounds like it was the Irriducibili to me. I recommend getting your hands on Gary Armstrong's excellent book Football, Fascism and Fandom: The UltraS of Italian Football if you want to know more about them and also Boys Roma.

jewvenileyouth
Nov 23 2012 16:57

Nice one, as a Jewish tottenham fan, i think youve hit the nail on the head here.

heres what i wrote about it http://www.sami-bin-raab.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/we-will-always-be-yids.html

Ed
Nov 23 2012 17:43

Cheers Jewvenile! Good article as well.. especially this bit:

Quote:
David Baddiel is a Chelsea-supporter. I will listen to what he has to say on anti-semitism more than Peter Herbert because like me, he has actually experienced it. But maybe he should focus on his team a bit more.

Jesus christ, yes! Baddiel is a fucking joke.. I remember seeing him talk about "the 'Y-word'" and he was going on as if it was Spurs fans' fault that people used it as an insult against them!

Also, just thought I'd mention something after some comments on facebook.. the 'black lawyers' in the title is supposed to refer to the Black Lawyers Society, not just anyone who's black and is a lawyer.. whole article was a rush job and I thought the title sounded better like that.. hopefully the content shows it's not some mad rant against black lawyers.. wink

Chilli Sauce
Nov 23 2012 18:49

Racist wink

Jewvenile, lovin that name.

Jacques Roux
Nov 23 2012 19:07

Nice beardiest

EastTexasRed
Nov 23 2012 19:34

Fucking good article. Even if you are with the Woolwich.

Dannny
Nov 23 2012 20:33

It's a great article but I think the title's unhelpful. Unless you had some idea of what libcom was about and therefore what was intended by the wording you'd probably not read beyond the heading.

Steven.
Nov 24 2012 13:56
Dannny wrote:
It's a great article but I think the title's unhelpful. Unless you had some idea of what libcom was about and therefore what was intended by the wording you'd probably not read beyond the heading.

yeah, I mean I knew the news story about the Society of Black Lawyers, but if someone didn't know that they might think it meant black lawyers in general. It doesn't scan as well, but I think we should change the title of the article to say "Society of Black Lawyers" rather than black lawyers in general. That sound okay?

Alf
Nov 24 2012 15:04

Speaking as a bone fide, pure bred yid - Jewish back to Russian days at least - Spurs supporter and sufferer since 1960 (the season before the double, I promise) I am completely behind the 'owning' of Yid by Spurs supporters (the majority of whom seem to be white people, skilled working class or independent small business types, from Chingford). You might as well try to stop rappers calling themselves nigger. Baddiel is a po faced politically correct schmuck about this, although I like some of his stuff.

Good article Ed

Ed
Nov 24 2012 16:28

Yo, so I've changed the title.. couldn't tell if I was just doing my usual second-guessing of my own writing or if the title genuinely did make the article sound like a mad racist rant.. feel free to share the joy without looking like fash smile

Also, of interest to some posters might be this Spurs antifascists group on facebook..

Ed
Nov 25 2012 22:58

West Ham fans took the piss out of Spurs supporters at the game today..

Quote:
West Ham fans disgraced themselves with a series of taunts mocking the stabbings of Tottenham supporters in Rome.

They also chanted about Adolf Hitler, the abuse directed at Tottenham fans whose club who have a traditionally large Jewish following, and were accused of hissing during the game.

Chants of ‘Viva Lazio’ were heard from the travelling section throughout the match, which Spurs won 3-1.

gerbil
Nov 26 2012 13:16

West Ham notoriously have a nazi hardcore, and their fanbase has a strong racist streak, so the abuse of Spurs fans comes as no surprise. I remember going to Stam games as an away fan back in the 80s and early 90s, and it was a seriously scary experience travelling on tube trains full of pissed-up naziskins then running the gauntlet of aggro near the ground. If you valued your health you hid your colours, and if you weren't white you went in big groups or stayed away. Fascist rags were on sale outside the ground. Then the cops would helpfully hold us back for 20 mins after the final whistle to give the Stam skins time to group outside the away fans end to attack us.

Sadly, it looks like times haven't changed much in those parts.

MontyMiller
Dec 2 2012 14:46

That's it! I am a Tottenham Hotspur supporter for life!

wojtek
Dec 2 2012 20:12

http://www.flickr.com/photos/london2006/3439012585/

EDIT: There's a really good article in the January 2011 issue of FourFourTwo about the Jewish and trade union opposition to the 1935 England v Germany game at White Hart Lane.

Devrim
Dec 2 2012 15:36

I don't quite see the connections that the article does:

Quote:
The most recent would be the highly organised attack by around 50 Lazio supporters - wearing helmets and armed with bats and knives - on a group of Spurs fans the evening before the teams met in the Europa League group stage. Around ten ended up in hospital, four with serious injuries including one that had been stabbed. The next day, so as to leave little mystery as to why the ambush happened, Lazio fans then chanted "Juden Tottenham" during the game (they also unfurled a 'Free Palestine' banner but that's more stupid than anti-semitic as they hate Arabs and Muslims at least as much as they hate Jews).

Reading this it seems that their is some sort of connection between the attack on Spurs fans and Tottenham's identification with the Jewish community. I don't think that is necessarily so. Rome fans have a reputation for attacking English fans. A Manchester United fan was stabbed their when they played in the Champion's League final in Rome for example. Lazio fans also have a nasty racist tendency to call everybody Jews. This week they were chanting "Juden Roma". I would suspect that this is just their normal behaviour playing itself out, and nothing at all specific to Tottenham.

Devrim

wojtek
Dec 2 2012 20:07

Red Star Leipzig, themselves attacked in October 2010 by fascists, showing solidarity with Yids after the attack in Rome:

Lazio's Facist Curva Nord: A History of Racism and Violence

Ed
Dec 3 2012 10:33
Devrim wrote:
Reading this it seems that their is some sort of connection between the attack on Spurs fans and Tottenham's identification with the Jewish community. I don't think that is necessarily so. Rome fans have a reputation for attacking English fans. A Manchester United fan was stabbed their when they played in the Champion's League final in Rome for example.

Hmm, I don't know Devrim. In a way you've got a point: I think Italian ultras like to fight English fans coz traditionally they have a reputation (Heysel etc), and that in Rome especially there's a tendency to use knives. But the incident with Manchester United fans looked massively different to this one. First off, it was a fight between two firms where Roma fans used knives; this was just an attack on a pub where a small group of Spurs fans were drinking. Also, the fact there were two Roma fans with them suggests to me that this wasn't just about football. I mean, why else would Roma fans help Lazio fans turn over another team's firm?

Devrim wrote:
Lazio fans also have a nasty racist tendency to call everybody Jews. This week they were chanting "Juden Roma". I would suspect that this is just their normal behaviour playing itself out, and nothing at all specific to Tottenham.

Again, you're kind of right. Lazio fans use it a lot, but generally only against teams with a left-wing following. So teams like Livorno get it, and Roma also get it coz up until quite recently, they were the left-wing team of the city (they still have a very left-wing element to the supporters, but it's a real minority these days). However, traditionally apolitical or right-wing teams don't get called 'Jews'.. I've never heard of Lazio fans shouting "Juden Verona" or "Juden Inter" or whatever. So there's a pattern, it's not just that anyone playing Lazio get called Jews, it's those who refuse to accept racism as a part of football culture.

D
Dec 3 2012 18:38

Very good article, especially the bits about the mayor of Rome and TSOBL. I do think Devrim may have a point though. Fans in Rome seem to quite often attack fans of other teams in this way. Middlesbrough fans were attacked in a similar way in the same place a few years ago

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/mar/15/newsstory.sport5

I'd imagine the Jewish association of Tottenham added to the appeal of the attack for the thugs involved but I doubt it was the only reason, probably a combo of anti-semitism and standard football violence

Also I dont think the fact Roma fans were involved is that unusual for football hooligans, firms (even rival ones) joining up to attack others on occasion has been common in the UK for years, I'd imagine it's the same abroad

Chilli Sauce
Dec 3 2012 19:01

D! Always good to see you on the boards!

I'll be working at your old employer soon, don't you know? (Not in the same city, tho.)

D
Dec 3 2012 19:44

would that be wall street Institute?