About the AF aims & principles...
Jul 20 2009 01:31
#62
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sickdog24, why do you keep banging on about 'the council estates'?
It is a good question. He is not the only person on here who keeps going on about them though. It seems to be a standard line from some people "council estates and workplaces" in that order.
How many people actually live on them nowadays? How many of them have been sold off or knocked down?
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I'll be going to visit my mum in the one she lives in this week and its like fucking Beirut at this time of the year
I don't know how you imagine it to be but Beirut is lovely at this time of year, beautiful sunny days, and a pleasant breeze blowing in from the mediterranean. I'd love to be there at this time of year.
Devrim
Jul 20 2009 10:00
#63
Yeah, referring to places as 'Beirut' is a peculiar Northern Ireland colloquialism, kind of outdated now I suppose. A bit rich too, really 
Jul 20 2009 11:03
#64
Devrim wrote:
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sickdog24, why do you keep banging on about 'the council estates'?It is a good question. He is not the only person on here who keeps going on about them though. It seems to be a standard line from some people "council estates and workplaces" in that order.
How many people actually live on them nowadays? How many of them have been sold off or knocked down?
yes, it is quite silly, I think it is a leftover from the type of rhetoric from class war with their view of class as a cultural thing.
In the UK, not got the statistics exactly to hand, but about 15% of the population live in council housing, compared to 70% owner occupiers. So it's quite a meaningless obsession.
Jul 20 2009 13:45
#65
notch8 wrote:
Yeah, referring to places as 'Beirut' is a peculiar Northern Ireland colloquialism, kind of outdated now I suppose. A bit rich too, really :)
I have lived in both Northern Ireland and Beirut, and I know where I would rather live. Next time I go to Beirut, I will walk around comparing the bad parts of town to Belfast.
Devrim
Jul 20 2009 15:42
#66
buena_exposiva wrote:
Atheism? You mean paranoia over if someone may believe in God.
I think there's a difference between "paranoia" and wanting members of a group to agree with that group's ideas, but we've gone over this already.
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Well that's one point. AF just seems like a pointless organisation, not harming anyone but neither benefiting, then again you can say that about other organisations.
Obv, I think there are benefits (f'r instance, if I tried producing/printing/distroing a newspaper myself, it'd be waaaaay worse than Resistance). But we can agree to disagree about that. But do you think anarchist organisations are inherently bad and pointless, or that there's useful things that "good" anarchist organisations can do that the AF fails at?
Jul 23 2009 15:13
#67
Where I live used to be a council estate but it was taken over by a housing association quite some time ago, as have many others around the country.
But yes, a caricature to think that the working class only lives on council estates
Jul 23 2009 16:25
#68
Battlescarred wrote:
Where I live used to be a council estate but it was taken over by a housing association quite some time ago, as have many others around the country.
But yes, a caricature to think that the working class only lives on council estates
Yes certainly a caricature. But most council estates are certainly areas of high poverty and areas where the ideas of libertarian communism could possibly thrive.
Jul 23 2009 18:47
#69
As are many other places. Whether waving about Bakunin at them is a good idea or not is another matter.
Jul 24 2009 13:22
#70
When I were a lad it were all council estates around yer, as far as t'eye could see. It's all bloody fields now though and they call that bloody progress.
Kids t'day, don't know thar born, moon on a bloody stick some of em etc, etc, etc
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For that is what the working class does. They live in 'council estates' and go to 'pubs'. That is all they do.