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I thought anarchism may be a way forward for me to engage in moving towards a better world. However, having seen some of the petty and spiteful posts members direct at one another on these boards, I now do not believe this is so.

I think you are not much different than the bosses and their system, and their exclusionary machinery.

I request account deletion, and the removal of my posts with immediate effect.

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Apr 18 2012 22:34

"The bosses and their system" force us all to work our whole lives in mostly pointless jobs, under the threat of destitution, homelessness and across much of the world, starvation. Not only that but it condemns a hundred thousand people a day to death from poverty, not to mention the thousands killed by war, environmental diseases, pollution and workplace injuries.

If you think that some people talking on a discussion forum are the same as this, then you probably do need to rethink your ideas.

We don't delete accounts, but you can feel free to stop posting.

Posts which breach our site guidelines can be reported. You do not seem to have done this. Users can also raise things they are not happy with in our feedback forum, or by e-mailing us, or contacting an admin directly. Which you do not seem to have done either. Have you reported any posts you are not happy about? What posts are you not happy about?

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Apr 18 2012 22:37

Nevermind, none of my business

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Apr 19 2012 03:35
Diddy-D wrote:
I thought anarchism may be a way forward for me to engage in moving towards a better world. However, having seen some of the petty and spiteful posts members direct at one another on these boards, I now do not believe this is so.

I think you are not much different than the bosses and their system, and their exclusionary machinery.

I request account deletion, and the removal of my posts with immediate effect.

Diddy-D,

Anarchism isn't the same thing as some people's posts. People's ideas and behaviour are in a state of flux. That's just a consequence of the fact that people develop over time.

Cutting yourself off achieves nothing.

Are there some specific posts or discussions that have led you to feel this way? As Steven. says, it might be helpful if you let us know.

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Apr 19 2012 06:55

Diddy-D, good luck finding something that will help you "towards a better world". Don't think you'll find it on any message boards. But might do struggeling with your work mates and neighbours.

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Apr 19 2012 11:11
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Diddy-D, good luck finding something that will help you "towards a better world". Don't think you'll find it on any message boards. But might do struggeling with your work mates and neighbours.

You are right. I am very active in the service-user movement for people with mental health issues. Some of the peeps I know there have formerly been involved with revolutionary socialist groups, but have left these groups.

I feel that disabled anarchists may have to oraganize separately from more 'mainstream' anarchist groups.

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Apr 19 2012 12:17

It's a shame you feel this way Diddy. Especially as it seems the message boards have affected this decision. But I don't think anarchism has ever promised to stop petty snipes between people. If you want to leave the boards, thats cool, but not the red and black flag!

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I feel that disabled anarchists may have to oraganize separately from more 'mainstream' anarchist groups.

Could I ask why you think this?

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Apr 19 2012 20:26
Arbeiten wrote:
It's a shame you feel this way Diddy. Especially as it seems the message boards have affected this decision. But I don't think anarchism has ever promised to stop petty snipes between people. If you want to leave the boards, thats cool, but not the red and black flag!
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I feel that disabled anarchists may have to oraganize separately from more 'mainstream' anarchist groups.

Could I ask why you think this?

Take a look at the thread I posted on 'Popular Comedian And The Ugly Face Of Disability Discrimination'. And there's your answer.

Oh, and by the way. I have made contact with a local anarchist group, and spoke of this forum. I won't tell you what was said about yous all. But the person doesn't frequent the forum, put it like that....pmsl

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Apr 19 2012 20:54
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Take a look at the thread I posted on 'Popular Comedian And The Ugly Face Of Disability Discrimination'. And there's your answer.

Oh, and by the way. I have made contact with a local anarchist group, and spoke of this forum. I won't tell you what was said about yous all. But the person doesn't frequent the forum, put it like that....pmsl

Just before you go, I think you dropped summat, mate:

admin: no flaming of newbies

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Apr 20 2012 09:41
Diddy-D wrote:
Arbeiten wrote:
It's a shame you feel this way Diddy. Especially as it seems the message boards have affected this decision. But I don't think anarchism has ever promised to stop petty snipes between people. If you want to leave the boards, thats cool, but not the red and black flag!
Diddy-D wrote:

I feel that disabled anarchists may have to oraganize separately from more 'mainstream' anarchist groups.

Could I ask why you think this?

Take a look at the thread I posted on 'Popular Comedian And The Ugly Face Of Disability Discrimination'. And there's your answer.

Oh, and by the way. I have made contact with a local anarchist group, and spoke of this forum. I won't tell you what was said about yous all. But the person doesn't frequent the forum, put it like that....pmsl

Presumably the disabled comedians and writers that work with Gervais, like Francesca Martinez would not be rushing to sign up to your particular angle. Don't think you speak for all those with disabilities. For all his faults, he has shifted disability as the focus of humour to the bigotry and awkwardness that surrounds it. It may be hamfisted at times, and this approach can backfire, one only has to think of Johnny Speits Alf Garnett where the racist object of ridicule becomes a hero to the bigots, but his however flawed is at least a step in the right direction.

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Apr 19 2012 21:38
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Take a look at the thread I posted on 'Popular Comedian And The Ugly Face Of Disability Discrimination'. And there's your answer.

Oh, and by the way. I have made contact with a local anarchist group, and spoke of this forum. I won't tell you what was said about yous all. But the person doesn't frequent the forum, put it like that....pmsl

Just before you go, I think you dropped summat, mate:

Now that is a very appropriate post to finish with, isn't it. Cos it sums up the posting and posters here quite superbly. Do please pick it up and pass it around your number. I'm sure they will enjoy sucking on it. But not for long, eh. They like the sound of their self-important and stuck-up voices too much...pmsl

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Apr 19 2012 21:47

Anarchists are no different from any other people on the planet. We bicker, feud, hold grudges, get into strops, form cliques and annoy the shit out of each other. Hopefully we try and resist the urge to do all these things and try to behave in ways that are respectful to each other, but we are only human beings and not that much different from any other primate. I don't imagine for a minute that, even if the good narky fairy of the north came along and waved a magic wand and changed the world tomorrow, that we would manage to entirely get over our petty little ways.
I came into Libcom knowing exactly what the reputation was, and I understand why it may put people off - I held off from posting over the last few days because it looked like I would be walking into a firefight armed only with a small fruit knife - but the internet is exactly like real life, people have strong feelings and say things that are far from irenic. It's entirely up to you if you walk away, but you are just as likely to encounter hostility elsewhere as you are here. At least if you stayed you would have the opportunity to bring your opinions to the table.
I see anarchism as something people have to work together to accomplish and that includes working with people who piss you off.

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Apr 19 2012 22:19
Diddy-D wrote:
Arbeiten wrote:
It's a shame you feel this way Diddy. Especially as it seems the message boards have affected this decision. But I don't think anarchism has ever promised to stop petty snipes between people. If you want to leave the boards, thats cool, but not the red and black flag!
Diddy-D wrote:

I feel that disabled anarchists may have to oraganize separately from more 'mainstream' anarchist groups.

Could I ask why you think this?

Take a look at the thread I posted on 'Popular Comedian And The Ugly Face Of Disability Discrimination'. And there's your answer.

on that thread what you did was parrot the view of the Daily Mail. All I did, for example was point out that the Daily Mail is no friend of disabled people, as a disabled person myself, and ask if you had actually watched the show. You never even answered.

What I also think you probably don't get is that the people on here who are generally rudest to each other are people who know each other very well in real life.

I think it's worth pointing out again that you still haven't actually identified any posts which were abusive or horrible in anyway - nor did you raise any concerns in any of the ways I listed above.

As for your comment about disabled activists needing to organise separately, what an absolute joke. Half of us who run the site are disabled. And it's never even been an issue in the slightest

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Apr 20 2012 00:59
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As for your comment about disabled activists needing to organise separately, what an absolute joke. Half of us who run the site are disabled. And it's never even been an issue in the slightest

I agree with this. I am severely visually impaired. I used to be a member of an anarchist group, AF, they have various caucuses or did at the time I was member, if it had existed I would not have joined a disability caucus for example, never mind form a political group based on being a disabled whatever. Before you start I am saying people who are in favour of this are wrong to do so. Do what you want. I just don't agree with the approach to politics that usually are behind such initiatives.

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Steven. wrote:
As for your comment about disabled activists needing to organise separately, what an absolute joke. Half of us who run the site are disabled. And it's never even been an issue in the slightest

I agree with this. I am severely visually impaired. I used to be a member of an anarchist group, AF, they have various caucuses or did at the time I was member, if it had existed I would not have joined a disability caucus for example, never mind form a political group based on being a disabled whatever. Before you start I am saying people who are in favour of this are wrong to do so. Do what you want. I just don't agree with the approach to politics that usually are behind such initiatives.

thanks for your comment. I agree with you. I think that disability issues have to do be a general part of working class politics, they are not a single issue. (Disability is different from other types of characteristics which are discriminated against however because anyone can become disabled (indeed, most people do at some point in their life), whereas people don't change races, genders etc.)

Android, on a related note we weren't sure if we had any visually impaired users on libcom, now we know we do if you could let us know about any accessibility issues with the site we may not be aware of please do.

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Apr 20 2012 11:07

Okay, I will not move for separate organization, in light of what yous have all said. To do so is just more sectarianism, and will not advance the cause any, so to speak.

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Apr 20 2012 13:14

Sorry for my flame, Diddy-D embarrassed

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Apr 20 2012 13:55

… And they all lived happily ever after

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Apr 20 2012 14:15

Careful, sonny... you know it doesn't take much to set me off tongue

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Apr 20 2012 15:12

I said my piece on that thread and got no response from anyone...*

I would find it sad that you would leave the forums and potentially distance yourself from anarchism based on a bunfight between 2-3 people around a not-so-funny 'comedian'.

*now it has gotten too long for me to read embarrassed

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Apr 20 2012 15:50

@ Serge Forward. It's okay mate, thanks for your apology. Actually it was pretty funny really, cos I use the expression 'spit your dummy out' a lot hehe. I used to go to Blackpool as a kid, and there were big, pink, candy dummies on sale on the piers and at the Pleasure Beach. I used to love eating those. Way better than rock and candy floss.

@ Arbeiten. I'm not gonna leave the forums, or distance myself from anarchism. I've only ever really known revolutionary socialism in its beuraucratic forms, you know Militant (now the SP) and the SWP and so on. Anarchism is something I was aware of, but never really knew anything about. I thought it just meant chaos lol. But I think anarchism is well cool. I like the way peeps hold debates, then reach a consensus, and if not, then vote on an issue. So there is no big chief kind of thing. To me this is really democratic, and I want to learn more and more.

And also, I should apologize to peeps too, cos some of my posts have been sarcastic, going on about people liking the sound of their own voices and shit. So I'm just as bad.

It's all good yeah smile

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Apr 20 2012 15:56
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Anarchism is something I was aware of, but never really knew anything about. I thought it just meant chaos lol.

it's not?

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Apr 20 2012 15:57

I think Diddy D is wrong to leave but I understand. I do not like the atmosphere but like the politics. I do not know how to address the way you talk to each other- it works for you but it sickens me. I am intimidated.
It is difficult for people (outside the circle of acquaintance that is at the heart of Libcom) to get the in-jokes- if you do not know the characters behind the posts it seems like a very hostile place.
If you were to speak to me face to face the way you talk to each other on line I would probably drop the nut on you. I support the politics of Libcom and will continue to support the project. Changing the world starts with changing the things we control. We do not wish to be governed by outside authority so we have an obligation to show self control. I am sure you are not the collection of cunts you pretend to be.

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(Disability is different from other types of characteristics which are discriminated against however because anyone can become disabled (indeed, most people do at some point in their life), whereas people don't change races, genders etc.)

It's good to know that despite the "PR WHITEWASH" to re-orient the site to the "MIDDLE OF THE ROAD" in accordance with "WISDOM OF CROWDS BULLSHIT", that good ol' libcom.org transphobia is still alive and well.

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On a serious note, though, I don't think it's a bad thing for disabled people to organise separately from other workers (or other anarchists). The social relations surrounding disability are based in the material reality of capitalist society, so at least in principle I think it makes sense for disabled people to control their own struggles (and have their own political organisations). EDIT: Not to suggest that disabled workers shouldn't also organise with non-disabled workers, obviously.

Whether that's practical as an immediate goal right now is of course another question.

~J.

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Apr 20 2012 17:19
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Android, on a related note we weren't sure if we had any visually impaired users on libcom, now we know we do if you could let us know about any accessibility issues with the site we may not be aware of please do.

Steven., thanks for that. Nothing comes to mind as I use some assistive tech stuff already and the zoom in functions that come with most browsers now are good enough for me.

But you'd want to watch posts like that people might conclude you lot aren't pricks after all!

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Apr 20 2012 17:34
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Steven. wrote:
Android, on a related note we weren't sure if we had any visually impaired users on libcom, now we know we do if you could let us know about any accessibility issues with the site we may not be aware of please do.

Steven., thanks for that. Nothing comes to mind as I use some assistive tech stuff already and the zoom in functions that come with most browsers now are good enough for me.

But you'd want to watch posts like that people might conclude you lot aren't pricks after all!

right, sorry. I mean: fuck you four-eyes!

Jolasmo, good point, that wasn't very well thought out…

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Apr 21 2012 18:00
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It is difficult for people (outside the circle of acquaintance that is at the heart of Libcom) to get the in-jokes- if you do not know the characters behind the posts it seems like a very hostile place.

Got to agree with this though not sure how to go about stoping it. I do think things have improved a lot from the bad old days when libcom was still establishing its politics. This usually involved the ruthless dismantelling of shit politics from who ever dared post

...but now libcom is heading to a new era of free love, flowers, hugs & kisses, xxx.

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Awesome Dude wrote:
Tart wrote:
It is difficult for people (outside the circle of acquaintance that is at the heart of Libcom) to get the in-jokes- if you do not know the characters behind the posts it seems like a very hostile place.

Got to agree with this though not sure how to go about stoping it. I do think things have improved a lot from the bad old days when libcom was still establishing its politics. This usually involved the ruthless dismantelling of shit politics from who ever dared post

...but now libcom is heading to a new era of free love, flowers, hugs & kisses, xxx.

When I saw the bit about free love, flowers, hugs & kisses, xxx, I was reminded of those two 1960s songs, San Fransisco and Lets Go To San Fransisco . Ya know, the Golden Gate Bridge, the Haight Ashbury - and all that smile smile