Anarcho-Esperanto

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Anarcho-Esperanto

For all those interested in the international language, Esperanto, SAT-Liberecana Frakcio, the anarchist section of SAT (the World Non-national Asociation) has recently modified its webpages, which can be seen HERE.

Okay, some background info...
Over the last hundred or so years, there's been a link between Esperanto and sections of the anarchist movement, most notably in early 20th century China and Japan, but also within the pre-WW2 Bulgarian movement and during the Spanish revolution, where CNT-FAI produced its own Esperanto Informa Bulteno which was distributed in Spain and internationally. Nowadays, the Liberecana Frakcio is the main point of contact for Esperanto speaking anarchists from many countries.

Why bother?
Some might ask, why bother learning Esperanto when English is already a kind of international language? Well, that's a perfectly valid question. At present, English is a lingua franca of business and capital. Previously, French was considered to be the international language, and in the not too distant future, English may well be superceded by Chinese.

The point is, to learn any 'national' language for the purpose of international communication is a fuck of a big job. It takes time, loads of study, a certain level of education and money. All too often, you can learn a language from books, CDs, the internet or go to classes, but when you get to a country where they speak the language you've spent ages learning, you still can't make head nor tail of it.

If you find languages hard, you'll always be in the shit. But if are a brilliant linguist, you'll still always be the 'foreigner' at a linguistic disadvantage, no matter how clever you are with languages.

Esperanto is comparatively so much easier than a national language and you can be up and running with it in a short time. In other words, you can learn in months, what it would take years to learn in any national or regional language. It needs far less time. You don't need to be highly educated or 'academeic' or particularly linguistic, and it's cheap or free to learn.

Prefigurative politics
Esperanto not only levels the linguistic playing field, in terms of internationalism, it makes total sense to use an auxilliary bridge language to work internationally. If any potential future society were dominated by English, Chinese or whatever the dominant and imperialist pre-revolutionary language of the time, then to merely adopt that language and all its inherent problems and social and economic implications would be incredibly sloppy and backward looking on our part. Think instead, of building any future global revolution internationalism within the shell of the old internationalism.

Okay, that's me sounding off... I'll go and get my tin hat and wait for the potential backlash laugh out loud

Courses
In the meantime, if you want to learn Esperanto, try either the Free Esperanto Course or Lernu.net

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May 3 2012 22:56

CGT Esperanto banner on Barcelona May Day 2012. The banner says: "It is the hour of the battle that must be fought. For the abolition of the state and capital. For direct democracy and self rule."

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May 4 2012 07:21

Hmmm, I've just been reading up on Esperanto thanks to you, and I think I'll give it a go. Anarchists seem to have a bit of history with it too it seems.

If anything, it could be a good base to learn other languages from. How long did it take you to learn it by the way? I've read on Wiki that it took French High-School students 150 hours to learn it, compared to 2000 hours it took for them to learn German. That's mad.

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May 4 2012 08:47

Once I've got my head around Mandarin, this is something I will give a go. Might be a few years before I start though! grin

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May 4 2012 12:40

Standfield, it took me about two or three weeks to do the Free Esperanto Course but that was when I was on the dole and had fuck all else to do. Six months later I was at my first SAT congress in Hungary, communicating reasonably well with the Liberecana Frakcio.

Sure, I made mistakes and stumbled a bit but I would never have been able to communicate so well with any other language. I 'learnt' French and Greek in the past, and lived in both countries for over a year each, but my ability in both those languages is still utter shite.

I've heard it said that kids who learn Esperanto generally transfer the skills more easily when learning a more difficult 'natural' language. With me, I can get the gist of conversations spoken in any romance language, even though I might not be able to communicate in those languages. But then, a lot of Esperanto vocabulary is latin derived.

Bulmer, I'd love to learn Chinese as well but know my limitations. Good luck with it fella.

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May 4 2012 18:06

This is a really good post Serge, thank you.

One aspect that I think is really important ties into what you call prefigurative politics, is the way that Esperanto becomes the communal property of everyone who speaks it.

For example, I've studied Spanish for 12 years and have a university degree in it. But living in Spain, it's painfully obvious to me that it's a borrowed language. I'll never feel completely at home with it the way I do with English.

With Esperanto, on the other hand, I feel like it's "mine" as much as its anybody elses. It feels as natural to me to speak, write, or think in Esperanto as it does with English. It's not uncommon, in a group of competent esperanto-speakers, to forget people's nationalities, as everyone is relating to each other on completely equal footing. This obviously helps a lot, as well, to foster a spirit of camarederie that ithink is really important.

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May 4 2012 21:50

Didn't Emma Goldman and crew speak Esperanto?

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May 4 2012 22:49

That's news to me, though IIRC she supported it at the 1908 congress.

Malatesta was a d'fferent case, and there's an interview with him in Esperanto to prove it.

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May 4 2012 22:50
SAT wrote:
The increasingly dense network of world communication, along with capitalist globalisa­tion, are creating an increasing challenge to the working class as time goes on – the challenge of deliberately fomenting globalisation from below.

this is really interesting... especially when it comes to organising along supply chains

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May 5 2012 00:48
OliverTwister wrote:
This is a really good post Serge, thank you.

One aspect that I think is really important ties into what you call prefigurative politics, is the way that Esperanto becomes the communal property of everyone who speaks it.

For example, I've studied Spanish for 12 years and have a university degree in it. But living in Spain, it's painfully obvious to me that it's a borrowed language. I'll never feel completely at home with it the way I do with English.

With Esperanto, on the other hand, I feel like it's "mine" as much as its anybody elses. It feels as natural to me to speak, write, or think in Esperanto as it does with English. It's not uncommon, in a group of competent esperanto-speakers, to forget people's nationalities, as everyone is relating to each other on completely equal footing. This obviously helps a lot, as well, to foster a spirit of camarederie that ithink is really important.

Yeah, this is what attracts me to it. I lived in Germany for two years (about 10 years ago now), and I am fairly confident in having a simple conversation, and I find it fun, but what you said rings true. It doesn't feel mine. I've read one of the criticism's about Esperanto being that it has no root culture, but surely that's it's point.

I'll give it a go, and I'll let you know how I get on. Cheers. wink

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May 5 2012 10:45

While it's true, Esperanto has no root culture, as a living language, it is constantly developing its own cultural forms based on an extensive literature, congress culture, various organisational cultures, ongoing everyday discourse between Esperanto users and whatever baggage people may bring into the movement from their own background cultures.

Because of the whole notion of 'bourgeois hegemony', then like all other cultures under capitalism, any wider Esperanto culture will be necessarily bourgeois. That said, there's a significant progressive, soccasionally revolutionary element in 'Esperantoland'. This is possibly because the starting point for most Esperanto users is already some form of internationalism.

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May 10 2012 14:22

Makhnovschina in Esperanto:

A las barricadas in Spanish, Esperanto and French:

How the fuck do you embed videos?

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May 10 2012 13:23

[youtube]everything after =[/youtube]

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May 10 2012 14:21

Hmm... tried it but it don't work wall

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May 10 2012 14:24

First one to fix it gets a classic anarcho-punk mp3 track from one of Barcelona's finest bands.

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May 10 2012 14:30

for this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL8OPoNOFQ8
do it like this [youtube ]DL8OPoNOFQ8[ /youtube] but without the spaces

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May 11 2012 12:41
Serge Forward wrote:
Makhnovschina in Esperanto:

A las barricadas in Spanish, Esperanto and French:

How the fuck do you embed videos?

Hit the "quote" button to see the bbcode.

~J.

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May 11 2012 18:23

Thank you!

If you want the classic anarcho-esperanto punk mp3 by pixamandurries, PM me and I'll email it to you.

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May 15 2012 11:22

Half a dozen SPGB leaflets in Esperanto that may be useful

http://www.worldsocialism.org/othlang.php#eo

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May 15 2012 12:37

Cheers for those. I'll pass them on to some possibly interested people.