London Anarchist bookfair 19th Oct

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Nov 3 2013 11:18
alb wrote:
Those who organise the Anarchist Bookfair are free to decide who can have a stall there. It's your party, so you can invite who you want.

What is criticisable is the inconsistency. It's billed as an "anarchist" fair but actually it's wider than this. Fair enough...

Bearing in mind that we are talking here of marxist not anarchist organisations, so I would say there's no required expectation for the bookfair to make spaces available.

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Nov 3 2013 13:03
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"the parliamentary wing of the anarchist movement"

Looks as if someone else has won the contract for being "the parliamentary wing of the anarchist movement":

http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/class-war-london-general-electio...

I wonder whether Ian Bone will get an invite to next year's anarchist party.

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Nov 3 2013 13:33

I'm not aware that there was any sympathy for Ian Bone's adventurist non-sense here.

What I said was -

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If you want you can continue to try provide an anarchist platform for "impossibilist parliamentarism" as "socialism" or for an "anarcho-marxist" presence of "the parliamentary wing of the anarchist movement" - I don't agree.

Resignation letter - John Crump. John Crump's resignation letter from the Socialist Party of Great Britain (SPGB) in 1973. Written as he left the UK for Japan, he describes and critiques the two main currents (economic determinists and utopians) that existed in the organisation and its failure to respond to events in society.

and

Socialist Party of Great Britain Polemic - The SPGB and John Crump: A Reply to our critics - Ten years on: (When and Where did it all go wrong)

In fairness, as has been said by a few people here - I've seen far worse socialist and communist parties than the SPGB

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Nov 3 2013 13:55

Totally agree AES with your sentiments about the SPGB, those I've met are reasonable enough and I've seen them at a number of anarchist events, though they are few on the ground. I always got the strange feeling that I was being slowly stealth recruited..

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Nov 3 2013 14:04
AES wrote:
I'm not aware that there was any sympathy for Ian Bone's adventurist non-sense here.

To be fair, on at least 2 occasions I can think of, him and Martin Wright gave their "annual address to the UK anarchist movement" at the bookfair. Needless to say, I didn't go.

In any case, I don't have a dog in this fight (and I think it's f*cking mad that anarchists are running in any sort election, for any reason). What the difference might be however, is that ostensibly Bone and crew are doing this as a platform for anarchist ideas and still proclaim to have no faith in electoral politics. SPGB seems to actually see parliamentary control as some sort of the class struggle - even if only in a supplementary role.

Now, both sets of logic are flawed, but in different ways and that could have bearing on the organiser's choices.

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Nov 3 2013 14:51

I wouldn't get too het up he's been doing it for years, usually as a publicity stunt. A mate of his ran for that new role overseeing the police a while back.

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Nov 3 2013 15:08
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What the difference might be however, is that ostensibly Bone and crew are doing this as a platform for anarchist ideas and still proclaim to have no faith in electoral politics. SPGB seems to actually see parliamentary control as some sort of the class struggle - even if only in a supplementary role.

Are you sure? I know Ian Bone's only doing a publicity stunt but is this really a revoluntary programme:

http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2013/10/23/class-wars-london-election-winne...

compared with this:

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Nov 3 2013 16:19
alb wrote:
this compared with this:

Just about as palatable as choosing between catshit and dogshit

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Nov 4 2013 00:08

Ha, ha! Good to hear that the Bone and "Aggro" Martin are still up and about, but I can't say I'm surprised that they would be dabbling in electoralism.

The problem with Anarchist Bookfairs that incude anything and everything is that it strips 'Anarchist' of any meaning. Here in Melbourne you had everything from Witchcraft to Shark Rescue, FFS.

Why not call it Radical Bookfair or some such?

You could invite every 'radical', self-avowed or otherwise, to hold workshops about freedom and equality however tenuously linked with anything else you care to mention.

Afterwards, you could all head on down to the pub, get on the turps and have an all-in donnybrook unrestricted by any social norms or conventions. Invite the press - they could run a headline:

"ANARCHY IN (insert name of city here)"

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Nov 4 2013 00:26

Poor Lugius, are some mean hippies infringing on your trademark?

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Nov 4 2013 07:14

Poor bastarx. Thinks self hippie.

http://www.chekov.org/blog/limits-counter-culture

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Nov 5 2013 22:56

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Organisations such as the CWO and the Marxist-Humanists, which are not anarchist and are even critical of anarchism and syndicalism, are allowed in. It's just odd that organisations like them in the Leninist tradition are allowed but not the SPGB. Why? Why are they not as "bad" as the SPGB?
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if you can quote an article critical of anarchism from leftcom.org you can point it out but the CWO has worked with anarchists in local campaigns since 1991. We are not from the Leninist tradition but the revolutionary marxist one. When the Bolsheviks were revolutionary they were sometimes called "leninists" by their opponents (which is why ancestral (but now rejected) figures likes of Bordiga always called himself a leninist) but the term leninist really takes off with Zinoviev's coining it in the fight against Trotskyism (and the Trotskyists fall for it and try to be more leninist than Lenin). Stalin takes it a stage further by enshrining it as a religion in "marxism-Leninism" with himself as high priest. None of this has anything to do with the communist left which was a victim of this distortion of marxism in the Third International. Sure we are all going to disagree about means (but Afed and Solfed do too) but we do agree on ends - a stateless, classless, moneyless society that can only be built from below. The SPGB problem is that they agree on that goal but are obsessed with the social democratic shibboleth that the only way mass consciousness can be expressed in this society is via parliament.

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Nov 10 2013 11:05

Just for info we put a report of the CWO meeting in the bookfair. If anyone else was there who wants to add correct or contradict it we would be happy to take comments on our forum or here.
http://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2013-11-09/marxism-and-anarchism