Transphobia at the London Anarchist Bookfair 2017

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Nov 4 2017 21:39
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Muslim communities are under siege

You'll find that a section of Muslims are supportive of, or engaged with, the state's "counter-extremism" policies (such as PREVENT); whether teachers, religious leaders, local elites, ..., whatever - these people engage with and support the state's policies. So I don't recognise any religious communities (which is an interclassist notion), whose members share the same set of interests.

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helping to lift this siege is not only more effective

The "siege"1 will be lifted when the working-class comes together as a class and abolishes the state/capital.

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So let's ask: do Muslims need paternal white anarchists offering their rote proclamations or are Muslim people perfectly capable of having these debates if free from duress and bullying?

I'm not particularly concerned about the what individual Muslims or "white anarchists" proclaim. What matters to me is that the communist movement doesn't abandon its materialist, freethinking roots, its principled hostility to the religious, or mystical.

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There is a degree of Orientalism on the left (and wider society) that would lead me to believe that many people regard the latter impossible and perhaps it is these attitudes we should be challenging. Or you know, continue shooting fish in a fucking barrel and watch how none of us gets anywhere.

Among the Left (broadly conceived), there's also an good deal of orientalism in reverse, often motivated by a well-intended, leftist political commitment to anti-racism or anti-Islamophobia - that religion, as one of the key elements of the everyday lives of colonised peoples that survived the cultural destruction of the colonial period, is a 'natural ideology' of non-white peoples, integral to their being in way not found among white Europeans, etc.

  • 1. to be clear, there are sieges in Syria and Iraq, not Britain
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Nov 4 2017 22:42
Mike Harman wrote:
For the record, I've got no time for Tolstoy/Dorothy Day etc. and think [religion] anarchism is a dead-end.

Hi Mike Harman.
I just wondered what you meant when you write this?
Maybe my question could now be considered off topic as this thread has moved on so much. But for some reason your phrase stuck in my my mind.
Can you tell me a bit more about what you mean? (not about Tolstoy please).

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Nov 5 2017 00:00
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Mike Harman wrote:
For the record, I've got no time for Tolstoy/Dorothy Day etc. and think [religion] anarchism is a dead-end.

Hi Mike Harman.
I just wondered what you meant when you write this?

The banner and reaction to it that prompted the conversation says 'religion is stupid' - as QQ says this is 'rote' in the sense there's nothing specifically anarchist or communist about atheism - plenty of atheist right-libertarians for example.

There is a strong anti-clerical tradition historically which is great - opposed to organised religion as a feudal/capitalist institution and major ideological underpinning of class society. Some people involved in anti-clerical movements were however religious themselves or at least had not abandoned various cultural practices, so anti-clerical has not been a one-to-one correlation with atheist.

In the same way there's a useful distinction between atheism (as a philosophical framework) and anti-clericalism (as a class movement), there is also difference between someone personally navigating their own religious background in relation to communist politics (as QQ just described), and an explicit attempt at some kind of religious socialism or anarchism.

It's this latter which I'd consider a dead end - i.e. the difference between someone being a christian anarchist and a Christian Anarchist. The latter is an attempt to reconcile the two philosophically/theologically into a coherent ideology which seems incompatible with secularism (broadening definition of secularism to include anti-state politics) let alone atheism.

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Nov 5 2017 00:58
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It's pretty much entirely just a gallery of screenshots of hotheads being angry-shouty on Twitter. Which I'd agree is unpleasant, but is also something that happens all the bloody time because people of all political stripes can't seem to help but act like mouthy tossers on Twitter. It'd not be too hard to find similar levels of bile directed at trans people.

oh right i'm actually fairly sure ive seen that before, if we're doing selecting incriminating quotes off the internet then here is my evidence that Pokémon is a murder cult https://www.facebook.com/RevNews/videos/951437478343148/

and then theres stuff like how people with wind people up then when they get angry denounce them or how people use violent language as emphasise like with swearing

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Nov 5 2017 15:26

I'm just going to say that the TERF vs Trans activist drama is what makes this years book fair such a fucking success. Such events serve no other purpose than to provide "anarchy' it's tit popping out super bowl moment, which is the only thing that makes them at all notable to begin with. This is what makes the book fairs in London,the Bay and NYC (and with this years prize going to LA and , seattle) so notable on a national and international level. Not because they succeeded in their "intended"purpose but because they consistently provide us with such twitter worthy gossip.

It's the spectacle of our own depraved dysfunctionality. The primary reason why these events have the relevancy they do.

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Nov 5 2017 15:31

It's one spectacle too much for me nowadays.
I certainly won't be going again.

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Nov 5 2017 15:37

Who says there'll be another?

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Nov 5 2017 15:58
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Such events serve no other purpose than to provide "anarchy' it's tit popping out super bowl moment

Not to derail but I really despise this sort of wannabe edgelord shit. Yeah mate, you're soo cool for pointing out the anarchist movement's small and ineffective, never seen that before. If only more people would run down good comrades' efforts for the sake of puffing up their own sense of armchair superiority, it's constructive as fuck. Fap fap fap.

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Nov 5 2017 16:18

I totally agree with kicking out anarchists supporting ITS. Just heard about them following the LA bookfair and they come across as straight sociopaths. Support for them should be a litmus test for primitivists and their associates.

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Nov 5 2017 16:42
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Also trying to prevent trans women from competing as women in sporting events.

That's a bit of an odd thing to complain about, isn't it? I mean, what is the basis for segregating sports by sex at all? Surely its got to do with physical dimorphism rather than anything to do with how people identify (i.e. the "male-bodied", for want of a better term, being on average stronger than the "female-bodied", and therefore it being unfair for them to compete in the same event, since the "female-bodied" would hardly ever win anything).

I could see an argument for desegregating sports altogether, but I can't see a case for acting like on-average physical inequalities between cis-men and cis-women matter in sports, but on-average physical inequality between trans-women and cis-women don't.

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Nov 5 2017 16:59
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Fallback, will you knock the straw man shit on the head please? When did I ever say "just ignore them". I've said on numerous occasions that Helen should be challenged over such views. But acting like a gang of stroppy divs is not the best way to do it. In fact, if anything, it's more likely to more deeply entrench any terf-like views she may hold. Meaningful action comrades... and that wasn't it.

More than that, stuff like this actively puts off newcomers and those curious about anarchism. It makes the anarchist movement look like a bunch of violent thugs who can't organise a bookfair without getting into a brawl. It might play well within our little political clique. It's certainly a good way to make sure it remains a clique.

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Nov 5 2017 17:00

Trans women and sports.
https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/01/no-unfair-advantage-trans-athletes/

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Nov 5 2017 18:04

From the article:

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The common trope for trans women is that we’re all tall, narrow-hipped, small-breasted, and masculine-appearing. This simply isn’t true. I happen to be tall (6’1”), but wide-hipped. I also have trans friends who are 5’4” and 130 pounds.

Fine, but doesn't the same thing apply to cis-men? So isn't that an argument for complete desegregation?

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Moreover, what opponents to trans women’s inclusion in female athletics often gloss over is the drastic effect that a standard regimen of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) has on the athletic performance of trans women.

I wasn't aware of this. Thank you for correcting my ignorance.

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Nov 5 2017 18:48

Generally I don't give a gnat's knacker about competitive/professional sports but afaik the argument against desegregation right now comes down to money. Women's sports gets far less funding, sponsorship etc. What I've heard argued, specifically in relation to women playing in the NHL, which has had (I believe) a few women players, is that the "mens" teams will cream off the very best women players, leaving the "women's" teams with less talent >less funding > less encouragement for women & girls to get involved. And given the levels of toxic masculinity which exists in sport, not a fair few women prefer not to play with men.

TBH though, sports are near the bottom of the list of things I care about.

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Nov 5 2017 20:00
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Do you have any thoughts on how this could be, or could have been, avoided? There’s a recent thread started by the admins on the CEMB forum that relates to this but I’m not sure how far it’s putting forward any real solution.

I haven't spent any meaningful length of time (or at all) within this subculture to offer anything meaningful. From what I've observed, however, it seemed like moderators had a fairly laissez-faire attitude when it came to free speech. Understandable given how former Muslims in non-western states perhaps had reason to express their unfiltered anger. However, it became apparent that many users were masquerading as ex-Muslim when content became explicitly racist and encouraged military intervention. The last I checked (and this was a while ago), these places were swamped with fash propaganda. Things may or may not have changed.

I haven't thought much about it but I think western media covering class struggle within the Arab world would have a tremendously positive effect on young Muslims here.

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You'll find that a section of Muslims are supportive of, or engaged with, the state's "counter-extremism" policies (such as PREVENT); whether teachers, religious leaders, local elites, ..., whatever - these people engage with and support the state's policies. So I don't recognise any religious communities (which is an interclassist notion), whose members share the same set of interests.

I am aware. So what?

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The "siege" will be lifted when the working-class comes together as a class and abolishes the state/capital.

Tell that to the class reductionists.

Craftwork wrote:
I'm not particularly concerned about the what individual Muslims or "white anarchists" proclaim. What matters to me is that the communist movement doesn't abandon its materialist, freethinking roots, its principled hostility to the religious, or mystical.

Like Uncle Joe’s “principled hostility to the religious”? It is counterproductive to attack the fragile and constantly evolving mores of less than 5% of the population, given that it is state ideology that reigns supreme. A commitment to this, given our historic and geographic situation, would be a religious one and a gross misreading of the situation we're in imo.

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Among the Left (broadly conceived), there's also an good deal of orientalism in reverse, often motivated by a well-intended, leftist political commitment to anti-racism or anti-Islamophobia - that religion, as one of the key elements of the everyday lives of colonised peoples that survived the cultural destruction of the colonial period, is a 'natural ideology' of non-white peoples, integral to their being in way not found among white Europeans, etc.

I am familiar with this opportunism but nobody here (I hope) is suggesting that.

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Nov 5 2017 22:54

The Green Party TERF, Olivia Palmer, just put a statement out. It's all crap of course, but she lets it slip that there were 3 of them, wearing hoodies, and they slipped back in after being chucked out to put stickers in the gender neutral toilet - a clear hate crime.

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Nov 5 2017 23:47
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TERF's are borrowing a strategy of the far-right (which makes them far-right).

No it doesn't. I don't agree with this victimhood thing of saying Terf is a slur, but equally it does no-one any favours, least of all the trans community, if we start bollocking on about Terfs being aligned with the far-right.

They have a specific bigoted view about trans people, they aren't looking to repatriate minorities and reform society on a hardline nationalist basis

So while I agree it's not useful to say 'TERFs are far right', your definition of far-right there also more or less excludes Francoist fascism in Spain. It was a broad coalition of mainly Carlists and Falangists and others, united by anti-communism and mostly catholic, but also managed to keep Moroccan military units loyal for both for the civil war and afterwards. Nationalist definitely, but more about killing anarchists and communists than repatriating minorities.

On the other hand the post '45 Labour Party was repatriating Chinese seaman from Liverpool, increasing repression in Kenya, later in '68 preventing Kenyan Asians with British passports traveling to the UK as refugees etc. It's not really useful talking about the Labour Party as far right either, yet they were repatriating minorities and carrying out colonialist policies (and Blue Labour, figures like Frank Field, Stephen Kinnock and Rachel Reeves are definitely 'aligned with the far-right' on immigration to the point of appropriating Vichy slogans almost verbatim).

Where this is relevant is we're increasingly seeing an alignment of various bigoted political persuasions that are prepared to work together to organise against shared targets. QQ has talked about far-right recruitment of ex-muslims. The US alt-right as well as confederates and nazis also includes anarcho-capitalists (2011's NAP is 2017's helicopter rides), MRAs, PUAs, alongside the more usual nazis, neo-confederates and ultra-conservative christians. Most of these have a shared project of attacking 'Social Justice Warriors' (can include anyone from communists to liberals) and rather than relying on a coherent unifying ideology instead you just get strategic allegiances - against women, immigrants, trans people etc.

On the group that leafletted the bookfair, they're apparently happy to get support from David Davies MP. Does that mean all the people in mayday4women and other TERFs who talk to David Davies want compulsory dental checks for child refugees to prove they're not adults? Obviously it doesn't, but nevertheless they're happily chatting away on twitter about how bad Hyde Park was. Similar has been seen in the US where the bathroom bills have been supported both by conservative Christians and TERFs. Davies is a Tory rather than a member of the BNP, but the strength of the far right is less in actual numbers or electoral strength but the extent to which its talking points and viewpoints have found support from people much closer to the centre. What's a good way to describe having a joint political interest and sometimes working together to further it that's not 'alignment'? Sounds snarky saying it like that, but really I don't know what to call all this.

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Nov 6 2017 00:24
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Moreover, what opponents to trans women’s inclusion in female athletics often gloss over is the drastic effect that a standard regimen of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) has on the athletic performance of trans women.

I wasn't aware of this. Thank you for correcting my ignorance.

So this is where a seemingly common sense statement from TERFs based on everyone's understanding of Year 8 biology turns out to be complete shite after just a bit of investigation.

There's also been recent news stories about hyperandrogenic athletes having much higher levels of testosterone and gaining competitive advantage from that, to the point they may be forced to medicate to suppress levels to be able to compete, or compete in the mens' category if performance is high enough - this despite being 'assigned female at birth' etc.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/08/11/intersex-athletes-learn-will-forced-take-drugs-suppress-testosterone/ / http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/40491036 / http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/29446276

I'm also in the category of not giving a shit about sport, however this is a case where it's economically in the interests of cis women with low testosterone levels to exclude trans women, hyperandrogenic and intersex women from the category of 'woman' in order to win events. Those women then excluded won't necessarily be competing against men at the same level (i.e. if their testosterone levels are at the lowest for men, and testosterone matters for men too, then they'd be at a disadvantage).

That's about as far as my knowledge goes on this, but the fact that what used to be called hermaphroditism is now understood to be multiple different medical conditions (some of which happen to make you good at sport) really undermines the strict binaries that people are trying to impose all over the place too.

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Nov 6 2017 00:40

Anyone paying close attention to these people for the last 30 years will find they make tactical alliances with the right where it suits their mutual interests - which is targeting trans women. Maria Mac sold her story to the Daily Mail, Miranda Yardley is in the commons sharing a platform with David Davies MP about the GRA, Julian Vigo wanted to give Milo a platform for LGBT history month, and so on.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/02/08/radical-feminists-team-up-with-right-wing-evangelicals-to-oppose-trans-rights-protections/

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Nov 6 2017 10:37

You're entirely correct Mike, I didn't do a fully-fleshed out exposition on the broad concept of "far-right" in my two-sentence rebuttal and didn't say (because I thought it would be blatantly fucking obvious) that groups which are not far-right also sometimes act in unpleasantly nationalist ways. I'm now leaving this thread, because I've had enough.

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Nov 6 2017 11:33

Well there was a serious point in my comment which you could have responded to, but if you want to take it personally go ahead. The less serious point I was making is encapsulated by these two sentences:

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throwing inaccurate terminology around for effect does little more than muddy the waters
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You're entirely correct Mike, I didn't do a fully-fleshed out exposition on the broad concept of "far-right" in my two-sentence rebuttal.
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Nov 6 2017 11:48
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Like Uncle Joe’s “principled hostility to the religious”?

He didn't have one, it was convenient with him to ally with the Orthodox church and he's still venerated in icons there. My parents sublet to a Ukrainian orthodox man my father worked with and he had icons of Saints, Lenin and Stalin.

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Nov 6 2017 15:51
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I haven't spent any meaningful length of time (or at all) within this subculture to offer anything meaningful. From what I've observed, however, it seemed like moderators had a fairly laissez-faire attitude when it came to free speech. Understandable given how former Muslims in non-western states perhaps had reason to express their unfiltered anger. However, it became apparent that many users were masquerading as ex-Muslim when content became explicitly racist and encouraged military intervention. The last I checked (and this was a while ago), these places were swamped with fash propaganda. Things may or may not have changed.

I only really follow the CEMB forum, which has its own problems but is probably better than some of the rest. It was set up with a big commitment to free speech, and I think there are actually good practical reasons for them to allow ex-Muslims, Muslims, or anyone wavering, to express their ideas with very few restrictions, even if some of those ideas can be alarming (one that comes to mind is a defence of slavery by a Salafi visiting the boards). This does open the door to the non-Muslim right though.

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QQ has talked about far-right recruitment of ex-muslims.

I’m not sure recruitment is the issue, though it may occasionally happen. It’s more that ex-Muslim sites seem to attract consistent interest from the far-right creating an influence in the background that’s hard to avoid. The association of a lot of new atheism with the right fits in with this. It isn’t that people are stupid and I expect most ex-Muslims are perfectly capable of shrugging this off and filtering it out, but it still isn’t great that the influence is there. This is partly why I’m uneasy with arguments that anarchists/communists should play down their secularism and atheism. I think it risks secularism ending up being associated with the right and defence of religion with the left. This may not seem very important to activists living in a secularised world, but there are other people, here and elsewhere, who really aren’t living in that secularised world and face all kinds of problems related to religion.

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Nov 6 2017 15:59
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QQ has talked about far-right recruitment of ex-muslims.

I’m not sure recruitment is the issue, though it may occasionally happen. It’s more that ex-Muslim sites seem to attract consistent interest from the far-right creating an influence in the background that’s hard to avoid.

I might have added that on from the back of my head. I had in mind people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali - used to work with Geert Wilders and shares platforms with Sam Harris, has called for banning Muslim schools and said the arguments don't apply to Christian or Jewish schools, supported the Trump travel ban (except for the incompetent execution of it). I don't know enough about her to say far-right or not, but those associations and positions at least show a trajectory towards 'aligned with' and it obviously makes sense for well resourced Islamophobes to give ex-muslims that support their positions as much of a platform as possible.

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Nov 6 2017 17:30

I think Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a bit of a special case. She’s very much from an elite background; daughter of a leading Somali politician, political science student at Leiden, MP in the Dutch Parliament, now working for a right wing US think tank. Despite the move from teenage Islamist to apostate and estrangement from family and community there’s a consistency there and I suspect she’s never really wavered from an elite world view. Ideologically she’s very much a neo-liberal, whether or not that qualifies her to be considered as part of the far-right.

That said I’m sure there are career opportunities for ex-muslims considering taking the same path and there are probably examples that haven’t occurred to me.

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Nov 6 2017 20:48
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He didn't have one, it was convenient with him to ally with the Orthodox church and he's still venerated in icons there. My parents sublet to a Ukrainian orthodox man my father worked with and he had icons of Saints, Lenin and Stalin.

Kind of my point. Yet he still found it useful to shut down mosques, execute Muslim Bolsheviks, expel Muslims to Central Asia and institute programs like Hujum (which is worth revisiting, as I can see many parallels with today).

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QQ has talked about far-right recruitment of ex-muslims.

For clarity sake, they may be trying to recruit, but I think it's designed to put off decent people questioning religion and looking for answers. Many of the ex-Muslims I knew of were more inclined toward kind of classical liberal to left libertarian politics although could just be confirmation bias.

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I only really follow the CEMB forum, which has its own problems but is probably better than some of the rest. It was set up with a big commitment to free speech, and I think there are actually good practical reasons for them to allow ex-Muslims, Muslims, or anyone wavering, to express their ideas with very few restrictions, even if some of those ideas can be alarming (one that comes to mind is a defence of slavery by a Salafi visiting the boards). This does open the door to the non-Muslim right though.

The kind of things I was seeing ranged from hysterical support for Israeli occupation of Palestine to really vulgar and nasty racism against Arabs. Just find it hard to believe that fascists within a genuine ex-Muslim milieu would be so heavily represented.

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Many of the ex-Muslims I knew of were more inclined toward kind of classical liberal to left libertarian politics although could just be confirmation bias.

That fits with my impression.

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Just find it hard to believe that fascists within a genuine ex-Muslim milieu would be so heavily represented.

It’s always had plenty of people posting who aren’t from any kind of Muslim background (and aren’t pretending to be). The support for Israel was odd but seemed to be mainly from liberals.

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Nov 7 2017 21:48

Just thought it was worth correcting a few lies from this weird person with an obsession with defending transphobes it seems:

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Libcom uncritically supports the Gender Recognition Act

This is a lie, we have no position on it. However as an anarchist, personally I think the state has no right to go around inspecting people's genitalia and determining people's gender or sex.

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And prohibits discussion on it.

This is also a blatant lie.

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The so-called “Libertarian Communists (sic)” align with the right wing libertarianism of the Tory government.

this is also a lie. Conversely, the transphobes were the ones supporting David Davis.

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This support goes along with support for violence against women, support for religion and all manner of post-structuralist and identity politics.

those first two points are bullshit. Post-structuralism, I don't know what that is. Identity politics is normally just a derisive term for opposing discrimination (like racism, sexism, transphobia etc), so on that count you probably have us, as we are opposed to all kinds of discrimination.

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There is nothing remotely classist in any of these positions.

you what? You haven't even said what any of our actual positions are, so this comment is bullshit as well.

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When it’s revealed Helen Steel is a union rep

It wasn't "revealed", Helen Steel is a well-known Unison activist who runs for election to national positions.

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far from this giving pause to the rabid anti-feminist witch hunt

It looks like you've betrayed your own position here. If you are conflating opposing transphobia with being anti-feminist, then it means by de facto you a TERF (or "trans-exclusionary feminist" if you are one of the pricks who thinks TERF is a slur but "trans-exclusionary feminist" is fine. And if you are a transphobe, then you can fuck off from this website alongside the other bigots we have banned.

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a Libcom regular announces that he will seek to get her removed from her job.

Again you're lying. If you're referring to me, what I said was that if she is promoting transphobic propaganda, then that is a breach of the union rules, as union rules prohibit any kind of discrimination.

As well as lying, it looks like you don't even have the most rudimentary understanding of workplace organising. Helen's job is not as a union rep. She is a council worker, who volunteers as a union rep for Unison. Even if I said that I would "seek to get her removed" as a union rep, which I didn't as that's a lie you have made up, that wouldn't have anything to do with her losing her job.

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This is called blacklisting.

No it's not: you're an idiot and a liar.

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The forum is dramatically poorer than the library. It can only be a matter of time before the admins start deleting material from the library as they already delete posts from this thread. The most telling deletion is of a post that called their behaviour “Stalinist”.

we deleted transphobic comments from this thread. And we do delete content from our library, for example when it turned out that one of the Ruptura Collective was a rapist we deleted their blog and all of their posts.

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With its support for violent suppression of discussion and support the government and various reactionary movements, Libcom is not communist and is not even libertarian.

yeah good one.

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Nov 7 2017 23:48

Reminder that the leaflets being distributed called for trans women to be held in mens' prisons in case they're abusers while ignoring all the non-hypothetical cases like this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-woman-says-she-was-jailed-men-assaulted-n818281?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

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Nov 8 2017 00:19

I don't know how anyone can seriously suggest that the points in that leaflet are things that should be "up for discussion." I can't even. It's not even nit picking over some finer points of ideology, it transcends political differences, it's just human decency ffs.

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