Organise! launch The Leveller

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May 3 2009 18:15

You are IN smile
We'll even pay you, plus we aren't nazis.
£100 a page. and it's 12 pages each issue, but this may rise to 48 for next issue, because we are including:

- personal ads
- 'Dear Deezer' letters page
- Page of Hate - write message about people you hate (this will actually be a pullout supplement rather than a page)
- 'satire' section - dead clever like that there Private Eye magazine, with witty commentary and cartoons on the anarchist milieu. Will mostly have pics of people we don't like with spunking cocks drawn on their faces.
- Page 3 'stunnahs'
- Sports section with coverage of Belfast fights uploaded on youtube
- Crimestop page - with short features on local crimes, like off-licence robberies, ram-raiding, and throwing penguins into the lion pit at the zoo.

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May 3 2009 18:13
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fair play, great to see. Are you sending some down to us?

Yeah we asked most of your members yesterday did they want a copy and over 90% said no.

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May 3 2009 20:56

for real?

(and if so) Do you think Organise! members having a go at the WSM or individual members of the WSM on a regular basis here on libcom might colour peoples attitude at all?

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May 3 2009 22:48
jack white wrote:
for real?

(and if so) Do you think Organise! members having a go at the WSM or individual members of the WSM on a regular basis here on libcom might colour peoples attitude at all?

Haha yeah cos internet is real life and I don't get on with most WSM members I've met wink
Maybe youse could delete us from your contacts list?

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May 3 2009 23:16

8 outta 10 WSMers said they were "mildly perturbed" or "frankly fucking furious" that Organise are wittier than them so they had to run off to ABC, the Travelodge to Libcom's Hotel Babylon.

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May 3 2009 23:20
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Haha yeah cos internet is real life and I don't get on with most WSM members I've met wink
Maybe youse could delete us from your contacts list?

I dunno, I've always got on ok with anyone from Organise! I met in real life but that said I've taken offence to what people have said online as well and it would defo colour my view of them.

anyway maybe I'm taking this too seriously, and it is a thread about yer paper so i'll leave it at that.

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May 4 2009 10:43
Caiman del Barrio wrote:
8 outta 10 WSMers said they were "mildly perturbed" or "frankly fucking furious" that Organise are wittier than them so they had to run off to ABC, the Travelodge to Libcom's Hotel Babylon.

It's cause you're not allowed be quick witted in the WSM, it's in the code of conduct. tongue

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May 5 2009 17:09

Ah the code of conduct - where the WSM felt it was necessary to point out to their members that being a magistrate, peeler or drugs dealer 'may be' incompatible with anarchism! laugh out loud

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May 5 2009 20:40

Apart from things such as the bulky and long paragraphs and bleakness(dim colour) of the paper making it difficult to sell and attract there were actually some decent articles- Jeff Monsoon, education, Socialist Wankers society, fightback, elections it was a good first effort. I also liked the idea of a guest column. Later on in the day I actually ended up defending it from some boring member of the SP who was given off about it having a sports/martial arts article.

With a touch of class and 'expert' advice by weeler in the future who works in the business it can only improve.

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May 5 2009 21:39

Next time we'll include a colouring-in section for you.

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May 5 2009 21:43

He'd only get the crayons stuck up his nose.

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May 5 2009 21:58

Maybe he already has them up his nose, in his brain, like that Simpsons episode.
To be honest that would explain a lot.

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May 5 2009 22:01
Bobby wrote:
Apart from things such as the bulky and long paragraphs and bleakness(dim colour) of the paper making it difficult to sell
Bobby wrote:
I can only read 3 words at a time
Bobby wrote:
Apart from things such as the bulky and long paragraphs and bleakness(dim colour) of the paper making it difficult to sell
Bobby wrote:
can you have more pictures please?
Bobby wrote:
Apart from things such as the bulky and long paragraphs and bleakness(dim colour) of the paper making it difficult to sell
Bobby wrote:
Y iz tH3re no koLorin-1n s3ct1on?
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May 5 2009 22:06
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some boring member of the SP who was given off about it having a sports/martial arts article.

This surprises me, I mean it was an interview with an anarchist about his politics. What difference does it make that he's a professional athlete as opposed to say a factory worker other than having a public profile? Can't please everyone wink

As the author, I'd be curious as to what their criticisms were.

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May 6 2009 09:26

jesus, I dont even know why I bothered to post anything(even nice things) about the paper at all. Maybe I should just say it is 'class' paper just for the sake of pleasing people...

You certainly cant please everyone but one of the reasons why and how papers actually improve is that the editors should be open and receptive to criticism and suggestions...

Illl leave it at that.

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May 6 2009 13:06

Bobby, the paper has not been difficult to sell. And you aren't in a position to state this not having been selling it! The only people who didn't want to but it, as choccy pointed out earlier, were the bulk of WSM members up from Dublin for the day. The day it arrived we even had a queue of SP members outside the office looking for copies, actually more SP members than WSM members have bought our paper.

Also in case it escaped yer notice the 'dim colour' is a result of it being a black and white tabloid!

We are open to suggestions, comradely criticism etc., but your just a patronising gurn.

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May 6 2009 13:27
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The day it arrived we even had a queue of SP members outside the office looking for copies, actually more SP members than WSM members have bought our paper.(quote}

Good news

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May 6 2009 13:34
Bobby wrote:
You certainly cant please everyone but one of the reasons why and how papers actually improve is that the editors should be open and receptive to criticism and suggestions...

and is exactly why I said I was curious what those criticisms about my article were

the rest of your 'criticisms' were just laughable

That said, we've had some useful criticisms from a few others which we appreciate and may incorporate.

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May 6 2009 13:35

Speaking of which, is there any way for this SP member down in Dublin to get hold of a copy short of posting you a 50p? Are you going to get some copies into the few shops in Dublin that will take left papers and magazines?

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May 6 2009 13:40

We'll sort something soon smile

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May 6 2009 14:05
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Bobby wrote:
You certainly cant please everyone but one of the reasons why and how papers actually improve is that the editors should be open and receptive to criticism and suggestions...

and is exactly why I said I was curious what those criticisms about my article were

the rest of your 'criticisms' were just laughable

That said, we've had some useful criticisms from a few others which we appreciate and may incorporate.

Choccy, I dont have problem with the content of the articles at all silly. Like I say im sure weeler will help you with improving the layout and design such sub-editing like cutting down some of the paragraphs which are too long and bulky. You would know this if you actually done a newspaper journalism course. What was missing was also a photo on the front page which deezer knows about anyway. Hopefully, with time it can only improve.

In the meantime, from what I observed on saturday, it will be a difficult to sell to people outside 'lefty circles' because it is black and white. Are you going to selling this on street corners to workers on strike for example? The best paper on the left in terms of layout and design is Socialist Worker and it is colour too. Most qualified newspaper journalists and lectures will tell you this.

There are many problems with our own paper and needs to improve, and also the continuing debate over free vrs paying but I would prefer colour and a modern look anyday.

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May 6 2009 14:13
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In the meantime, from what I observed on saturday, it will be a difficult to sell to people outside 'lefty circles' because it is black and white. Are you going to selling this on street corners to workers on strike for example? The best paper on the left in terms of layout and design is Socialist Worker and it is colour too. Most qualified newspaper journalists and lectures will tell you this.

You are mental.

Irish Socialist Worker's current incarnation, with the glossy paper, is absolutely fucking hideous. The inside layout is alright, but the covers are a total mess. Also, having sold both black and white (actually, black, white and red) and full colour newspapers I've never noticed colour ones being significantly easier to sell.

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May 6 2009 14:21

is this because youre in the SP?

I find newspapers and leaflets with a bit more colour(not just black and white) are not only easier to distribute but to sell. We are not going to agree

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May 6 2009 14:24

also irrational- are you trying to tell me that Socialist Worker is not the biggest seller and distribution on the 'left'?

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May 6 2009 14:43
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Bobby wrote:
You certainly cant please everyone but one of the reasons why and how papers actually improve is that the editors should be open and receptive to criticism and suggestions...

and is exactly why I said I was curious what those criticisms about my article were

the rest of your 'criticisms' were just laughable

That said, we've had some useful criticisms from a few others which we appreciate and may incorporate.

Choccy, I dont have problem with the content of the articles at all silly.

I know, I meant what were the criticisms of the SP ones

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Like I say im sure weeler will help you with improving the layout and design such sub-editing like cutting down some of the paragraphs which are too long and bulky. You would know this if you actually done a newspaper journalism course. What was missing was also a photo on the front page which deezer knows about anyway. Hopefully, with time it can only improve.

Ah the argument from authority, classic.
No one else has complained about 'bulky paragraphs' and given other anarchist literature it's not like it's reems of impenetrable jargon

Though there are many other criticisms we accept; headlines shouldn't be stretched, front needs photo etc

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In the meantime, from what I observed on saturday, it will be a difficult to sell to people outside 'lefty circles' because it is black and white.

Nah i've sold some in work to people who aren't 'lefties'. And what you observed on Saturday was sales at the MAY DAY PARADE - biggest annual day in the left's calendar, what did you expect?

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Are you going to selling this on street corners to workers on strike for example?

We won't be selling it on street corners because we aren't cunts and no papers sell their publications on street corners, except the Belfast Tele here and say free papers in big cities, oh and SWP twats.
And yes we would sell it to workers on strike should that happen in Belfast soon again.

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There are many problems with our own paper and needs to improve, and also the continuing debate over free vrs paying but I would prefer colour and a modern look anyday.

lemme guess you'll have a 50p 12-page tabloid out in 2 mths

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May 6 2009 15:19

Thanks for the reply- it has helped to clarify things choccy smile

cas the sp like to reduce everything to a 'workerist' type things where anything outside workers vrs bosses is irrelevant. In the past when advertsting that Jef Moonson meeting I also had to respond to alot of shit that 'oh this is just macho shit'.

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May 6 2009 15:26
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Seriously, wtf happened to the SWPs paper? It looks like a total piece of shit. Thick glossy paper makes people think "junk" and fuck it away. If you can fold it up and drink rum from it then your paper is an unusual quality, I am looking at you wsm. Newsprint for life.

aye I would agree with you here to a certain extent. I was probably referring to its previous format when it was actually a newpaper. That said it probaly still has the best sales on the 'left'.

The funny thing about the Leveller is that it is easier to burn (not that I would do such a thing wink ) than our paper(or election literature as my newspaper lecturer said). Even though it has more pages, The Leveller seems to made of cheaper paper quality and I can near enough see through the other side which may explain its cheap cost?

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May 6 2009 15:29

On a side note, the black flag magazine looks impressive.

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May 6 2009 15:32
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Bobby wrote:
In the meantime, from what I observed on saturday, it will be a difficult to sell to people outside 'lefty circles' because it is black and white. Are you going to selling this on street corners to workers on strike for example? The best paper on the left in terms of layout and design is Socialist Worker and it is colour too. Most qualified newspaper journalists and lectures will tell you this.

You are mental.

Irish Socialist Worker's current incarnation, with the glossy paper, is absolutely fucking hideous. The inside layout is alright, but the covers are a total mess. Also, having sold both black and white (actually, black, white and red) and full colour newspapers I've never noticed colour ones being significantly easier to sell.

I think it's cos Bobby's talking balls here wink

Anyway, I'm in Dublin this weekend for a conference so a few of us will pop along to MayDay march and bring copies. Look for the STALLIONS from Belfast. Also pm me if you know any good places in Dublin who'd take copies smile

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May 6 2009 15:34
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The Leveller seems to made of cheaper paper quality and I can near enough see through the other side which may explain its cheap cost?

Someone else commented on this, i really don't see it as a problem though. I'm open on this aspect though