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May 11 2009 13:39
Jason Cortez wrote:
You boys love your spats.

Who doesn't?

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May 11 2009 15:14
IrrationallyAngry wrote:
In fairness, nobody else bothered getting out of bed for the Dublin demonstration either. Why should the WSM be the exception?

They're supposed to be the disciplined leadership of ideas wink

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60 copies sold at sol fed conference last weekend.

good stuff smile
text from Jack on Saturday: 'I forgot how amazing being a punk is, I am drinking Buckfast and being punk. I am a fucking piece of shit cunt'

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May 11 2009 15:40
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Almost twice as many WSM members bused-up to Belfast MayDay at 7am on a Saturday than even bothered getting out of bed for the MayDay parade in Dublin, despite their Dublin membership being bigger by a factor of around 30. Was lol ;)

lol, maybe cas the mayday march in Belfast is bigger and better wink
Secondly, SIPTU provided a free bus service.
Thirdly, are you trying to tell me that if Organise had a smaller branch in Dublin, they would not be encouraging members to travel there?
It is also one of the few occasions(except for national conference) in the year where as an organisation we have a chance to meet up in a relaxed environment.
Lastly, dry your eyes.. cry

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May 11 2009 16:13
Bobby wrote:
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Almost twice as many WSM members bused-up to Belfast MayDay at 7am on a Saturday than even bothered getting out of bed for the MayDay parade in Dublin, despite their Dublin membership being bigger by a factor of around 30. Was lol ;)

lol, maybe cas the mayday march in Belfast is bigger and better wink

per capita yes, but Dublin by population is three times as large

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Secondly, SIPTU provided a free bus service.

whereas going somewhere in your own city is...?

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Thirdly, are you trying to tell me that if Organise had a smaller branch in Dublin, they would not be encouraging members to travel there?

No doubt we would, but if our numbers in Belfast were 30 times bigger than our numbers in Dublin it's unlikely twice as many would make it to Dublin than our own back yards.

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Lastly, dry your eyes.. cry

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA amazing
You mean like, by deleting someone from your contact list like fucking 8yr olds? Yep it's definitely us that is completely mental and childish roll eyes

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May 11 2009 16:21

I'm just re-reading your posts in this thread and you have out-fuckwitted yourself again. for me the highlights are:

Bobby wrote:
there is never really a debate on libcom- it usually turns into childish debate
Bobby wrote:
Apart from things such as the bulky and long paragraphs and bleakness(dim colour) of the paper making it difficult to sell
Bobby wrote:
Illl leave it at that.

quickly followed by these gems

Bobby wrote:
You would know this if you actually done a newspaper journalism course.
Bobby wrote:
sorry wait there to I whip out the spel check roll eyes Its only an internet forum called libcom. As you can see, I dont put much effort into writing posts nor re-reading shit to ensure spelling and sentences are correct.

thus invalidating anything you have ever written on the internet

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May 11 2009 16:48

my copies finally arrived today

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May 11 2009 16:53

Yay smile
Did you get the flag Notch posted?

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May 11 2009 17:37

If it wasn't for Organise! members traveling down to the Mayday march in Dublin, I would of failed my history college exam. Fact.

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May 11 2009 17:59

yep - flag too - and it's pretty damned good imho.

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May 12 2009 09:02
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I think Conorganise should fight Wee Sean Matthews and the winning organisation gets to be the real anarchy group in belfast.

I think you Brian Weelan should fuck up and stop trying to shit stir

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May 12 2009 10:25

I cant see a fighting victory, but I think Sean would be quite confident in a game of football though. cool In fact against anyone in Organise in terms of a one on one football match

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May 12 2009 10:30

so- you play fire with fire

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May 12 2009 10:45

Does Organise have some sort of weird anti WSM fetish. You start a topic about your new publication and then fill it with childish attacks on another group. Why?

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May 12 2009 10:48
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Jesus fucking christ, I didnt link either name to your accounts you moron, but even better than that - thats not my name you posted.

ok so does it begin with Ric...

you are making a statement of inference.

Why do you think it is acceptable to write Sean's full name and not Conor?

The best thing would be for the admin to delete both posts mentioning any names or else I quite happy to continue playing fire with fire.

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May 12 2009 10:56
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Does Organise have some sort of weird anti WSM fetish. You start a topic about your new publication and then fill it with childish attacks on another group. Why?

exactly Liam. It makes more sense considering your an observer. Its not the first time either.

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May 12 2009 11:01
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Does Organise have some sort of weird anti WSM fetish. You start a topic about your new publication and then fill it with childish attacks on another group. Why?

Actually given the idiocy that pours forth from that twat Bobbys keyboard perhaps you lot have a point! He really should do himself a favour and stay off the internet.

But this constant snipping between groups only serves to give the impression of a couple of gangs of kids playing at politics. And most of it does seem come from some Organise members.

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May 12 2009 11:05
Inigo Montoya wrote:
If it wasn't for Organise! members traveling down to the Mayday march in Dublin, I would of failed my history college exam. Fact.

wink You owe Deezer a pint

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May 12 2009 11:08
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Does Organise have some sort of weird anti WSM fetish. You start a topic about your new publication and then fill it with childish attacks on another group. Why?

Actually given the idiocy that pours forth from that twat Bobbys keyboard perhaps you lot have a point! He really should do himself a favour and stay off the internet.

But this constant snipping between groups only serves to give the impression of a couple of gangs of kids playing at politics. And most of it does seem come from some Organise members.

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My gangs better than your gang

Na in fairness we responded mainly to 'criticisms' from someone who in the same page professed he doesn't even read anything he writes or put any thought into it. The rest was merely hilarious observations.

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May 12 2009 11:08

Is the Leveller available in Derry any where?

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May 12 2009 11:14

Not yet, know anywhere good?

If you want one send a few stamps to the address in the OP of this thread smile

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May 12 2009 11:59

As someone who's been publishing stuff for 25 years I reckon the Leveller was a good first effort. What about a picture next time of Sammy Wilson with the word WANKER written under it in big letters - imagine how many copies you'd shift then! You might even get into the pages of Sunday Life - demonic anarchist terrorist organisation denounces our Sammy in bad-mouthed Leveller shocker!

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May 12 2009 12:06
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As someone who's been publishing stuff for 25 years I reckon the Leveller was a good first effort. What about a picture next time of Sammy Wilson with the word WANKER written under it in big letters - imagine how many copies you'd shift then! You might even get into the pages of Sunday Life - demonic anarchist terrorist organisation denounces our Sammy in bad-mouthed Leveller shocker!

Aye, I'll be campaigning for us to REALLY go down the Sunday World/Sunday Life route of compelte trash journalism wink

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May 12 2009 14:48
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My gangs better than your gang.
Na in fairness we responded mainly to 'criticisms' from someone who in the same page professed he doesn't even read anything he writes or put any thought into it. The rest was merely hilarious observations.

Choccy, This was in relation to my spelling and constructing proper sentences, not anything I said regarding the Leveller. If you read my posts it was far from just 'criticism'. I believe it was a good first effort and great that there is more anarchist propaganda on the streets of the north/Ireland.

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May 12 2009 14:50
Choccy wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
If it wasn't for Organise! members traveling down to the Mayday march in Dublin, I would of failed my history college exam. Fact.

wink You owe Deezer a pint

deezer certainly knows his stuff on Irish history.

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May 12 2009 15:06
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Choccy, This was in relation to my spelling and constructing proper sentences, not anything I said regarding the Leveller. If you read my posts it was far from just 'criticism'. I believe it was a good first effort and great that there is more anarchist propaganda on the streets of the north/Ireland.

Re-read my posts then, I said your criticism of it as 'bleak' was not one shared by single other person who'd looked at it because they know it's a black and white tabloid.
We also said that you don't actually know anything about how it's been selling so weren't in a position to even begin to comment on sales.

I also said that given your open admission that you don't think about or read over anything you post, it's unlikely that anyone would take anything you have written seriously.

Slagging your inability to construct a coherent sentence all came after this - have a look at the thread.

You also clearly don't know what criticism means - it doesn't have to be negative, so when you say it was 'far from just criticism' perhaps it's an open admission that it was indeed more than criticism, and just you being an idiot.

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May 12 2009 15:08
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Good news smile - the more anarchist propaganda on the streets of Belfast the better. Like weeler I think it shows potential and hope it lasts.

It is relatively easy to get out a paper. The most difficult thing is to keep it going, selling and distribution.

I shall leave it at that

this was my first comment in relation to the paper choccy

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May 12 2009 15:29
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Bobby wrote:
Choccy, This was in relation to my spelling and constructing proper sentences, not anything I said regarding the Leveller. If you read my posts it was far from just 'criticism'. I believe it was a good first effort and great that there is more anarchist propaganda on the streets of the north/Ireland.

Re-read my posts then, I said your criticism of it as 'bleak' was not one shared by single other person who'd looked at it because they know it's a black and white tabloid.
We also said that you don't actually know anything about how it's been selling so weren't in a position to even begin to comment on sales.

I also said that given your open admission that you don't think about or read over anything you post, it's unlikely that anyone would take anything you have written seriously.

Slagging your inability to construct a coherent sentence all came after this - have a look at the thread.

You also clearly don't know what criticism means - it doesn't have to be negative, so when you say it was 'far from just criticism' perhaps it's an open admission that it was indeed more than criticism, and just you being an idiot.

Slaging my ability to construct a 'coherant sentence' came after Notch trying to smart in terms of correcting my grammer. And yes, I generally dont put much effort into spell check, editing posts on internet forums compared to writing articles. Is it a sin?

I did mention this was based on my 'observation' on Mayday in Belfast. What was more a sad reflection that you were caught up in the fact that that vast majority of wsm members(from dublin, but every belfast member did) did not buy the leveller, or complaining that members were 'bussed' up to Belfast as if there is something wrong with beloning to a national organisation. So what? it shouldnt be the least of your worries.

choccy the problem is that any posts advertising wsm especially events on these threads is met with immediate hostility and a 'negative' reaction. Even though our belfast branch has been more than open to reaching out to Organise in terms of joint initiatives, offering them stalls and selling the paper at our public events to name a few things. Why is stuff like this never mentioned?

Take the thread on Belfast WSM organising a meeting with visteon workers. Instead of something like 'oh its good anarchists are organising something like this instead of letting the rest of the left run the show' we get a different response from you. But I guess this up to Organise!- Liam as an observer has noticed this on this thread. When I post something suggesting improvements it was met with outright hostility. The problem is not matter what I write Organise posters(for obvious reasons) on this thread will always flag up some flag of convenience to be hostile and bitter. But whats done is done is and im not going to lose sleep over it.

I have wrote too much on libcom for one day.

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May 12 2009 16:15
Bobby wrote:
Bobby wrote:
Good news smile - the more anarchist propaganda on the streets of Belfast the better. Like weeler I think it shows potential and hope it lasts.

It is relatively easy to get out a paper. The most difficult thing is to keep it going, selling and distribution.

I shall leave it at that

this was my first comment in relation to the paper choccy

and no one gave you shit
then,despite saying 'i'll leave it at that' you quickly followed it with

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Apart from things such as the bulky and long paragraphs and bleakness(dim colour) of the paper making it difficult to sell and attract there were actually some decent articles- Jeff Monsoon, education, Socialist Wankers society, fightback, elections it was a good first effort. I also liked the idea of a guest column. Later on in the day I actually ended up defending it from some boring member of the SP who was given off about it having a sports/martial arts article.

which some of us thought was mental in parts
describing a black and white tabloid as 'bleak' is just fucking weird. And the comments on sales were simply based on nothing. I also queried what criticisms of the Monson article there were, and said I agreed there should be a picture on the front, and that the headlines (not your criticism) shouldn't be strecthed they way they are.
Really, we did respond to yours and others' 'criticisms'.

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May 12 2009 16:13
Bobby wrote:
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Bobby wrote:
Choccy, This was in relation to my spelling and constructing proper sentences, not anything I said regarding the Leveller. If you read my posts it was far from just 'criticism'. I believe it was a good first effort and great that there is more anarchist propaganda on the streets of the north/Ireland.

Re-read my posts then, I said your criticism of it as 'bleak' was not one shared by single other person who'd looked at it because they know it's a black and white tabloid.
We also said that you don't actually know anything about how it's been selling so weren't in a position to even begin to comment on sales.

I also said that given your open admission that you don't think about or read over anything you post, it's unlikely that anyone would take anything you have written seriously.

Slagging your inability to construct a coherent sentence all came after this - have a look at the thread.

You also clearly don't know what criticism means - it doesn't have to be negative, so when you say it was 'far from just criticism' perhaps it's an open admission that it was indeed more than criticism, and just you being an idiot.

Slaging my ability to construct a 'coherant sentence' came after Notch trying to smart in terms of correcting my grammer. And yes, I generally dont put much effort into spell check, editing posts on internet forums compared to writing articles. Is it a sin?

Don't play the poor wee victim, the point was you don't think or read over what you've written, and in the context of giving someone basic self-professed journalistic 'expert' advice and arguing form authority, people aren't liekly to take anything you say seriously.

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I did mention this was based on my 'observation' on Mayday in Belfast. What was more a sad reflection that you were caught up in the fact that that vast majority of wsm members(from dublin, but every belfast member did) did not buy the leveller,

na. it was more that JackWhite said 'I hope you are sending some down to WSM' but when we actually met most of youse you weren't interested. Fine like, but don't be all 'hey cool dudes we'll take some smile *rad*'

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or complaining that members were 'bussed' up to Belfast as if there is something wrong with beloning to a national organisation. So what? it shouldnt be the least of your worries.

Merely an observation that WSM couldn't even be arsed to get out of bed to go to something on their own doorstep by and large but could get a 7am bus to Belfast for much the same thing, despite the Dublin membership outsripping Belfats by a factor of 30. It's just bizarre

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choccy the problem is that any posts advertising wsm especially events on these threads is met with immediate hostility and a 'negative' reaction. Even though our belfast branch has been more than open to reaching out to Organise in terms of joint initiatives

Hahhaa playing the nice guy, it's cute.
Does 'reaching out' extend to removing Organise form the WSM contact list? I mean, that's pretty mental mate.

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Take the thread on Belfast WSM organising a meeting with visteon workers. Instead of something like 'oh its good anarchists are organising something like this instead of letting the rest of the left run the show' we get a different response from you.

It was more that the announcement, before they'd even taken any votes, while the struggle was still going on reeked of the sort of opportunism groups like the SWP are readily decried for.

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But I guess this up to Organise!- Liam as an observer has noticed this on this thread. When I post something suggesting improvements it was met with outright hostility.

He also, on this very page, said almost everything you write is complete shite.

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The problem is not matter what I write Organise posters(for obvious reasons) on this thread will always flag up some flag of convenience to be hostile and bitter. But whats done is done is and im not going to lose sleep over it.

You said you were a journalist yeah? Cos this is barely intelligible.

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I have wrote too much on libcom for one day.

Ah the usual 'i've said too much'

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May 12 2009 16:23
Bobby wrote:
I shall leave it at that

Always leave them wanting more.