Our Oil and Other Tales (DVD about Venezuala)
Aug 19 2007 21:56
http://iaf-ifa.org/News/venezuala/venezuela_dvd_our_oil.html
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Our Oil, and other tales - a censored DVD documentary about the environmental and social impact of Venezuela's oil industry, by the Gattacicova CollectiveDVD running time: 80 minutes.
Copies are available from the Anarchist Federation (Britain) by writing to:
BM ANARFED, London, WC1N 3XX, England, UKALTERNATIVELY, ORDER 'OUR OIL' DVD BY PAYPAL FROM AF-NORTH
Price including DVD, packaging and postage, payable to Anarchist Federation:
* UK orders - £6.00
* European Union orders - £6.50 or 10.00 Euros
* Rest of the World - £7.50, 10.00 Euros or $15.00 USTHE VENEZUELAN GOVERNMENT had liked previous Gattacicova Collective productions (for example, Another way is possible ...in Venezuela) so much that they offered financial support for their next project. But the documentary they then made examined the issues of oil production in the country: from the impact on the environment and indigenous populations to the way the industry is run.
The bureaucrats of the Ministry of Culture realised they didn´t like such a close look at their involvement with multinational and northamerican corporations, so they tried to suppress the movie.
Only with the help of local activists a few copies escaped censorship.
Now you can watch the documentary that Hugo Chavez tried to keep secret...
All proceeds going to support Venezuelan anarchists.
The documentary is in Spanish with English subtitles. Spanish with German subtitles will be available soon.
Aug 19 2007 23:23
#2
Well you're entitled to your opinion, but remember this is being distributed as a solidarity DVD to support anarchist comrades in CRA who obviously think it's worth watching.
Aug 20 2007 01:03
#3
I met some CRA comrades. I thought they were OK if a little nuts, but apparently IWA hate them. If someone could provide a potted history of why they left IWA I'd appreciate it.
Aug 20 2007 01:08
#4
They were Friends of the IWA, not full members and were kicked out.
Aug 20 2007 01:11
#5
Oh OK. Why?
Aug 20 2007 01:11
#6
Fraternizing with platformists
Aug 20 2007 01:14
#7
Officially, I believe for not maintaining relations with other sections in the area.
However, according to most people the unofficial reason is because they have shit politics.
The Platformist thing is a lie MJ has said before, altho I dunno why since he knows it's untrue, and is obviously so, given that there are Platformist identifying organisations within the IWA.
Aug 20 2007 03:29
#8
Whoa, I definitely never said that before. 
Aug 20 2007 04:24
#9
and its the platformists who hate them the most.
Aug 20 2007 04:28
#10
OliverTwister wrote:
and its the platformists who hate them the most.
IT LIVES!
Aug 20 2007 10:37
#11
Jack wrote:
However, according to most people the unofficial reason is because they have shit politics.
What are the actual disagreements with their politics?
Aug 20 2007 18:04
#12
That they're synthesists mainly.
Aug 20 2007 18:14
#13
Oh hi Jack, I never said that before, right? Thanks just checking.
Aug 20 2007 18:45
#14
Sorry, just went back and checked, and it wasn't you who said it before.
It is still, however a lie. Which was refuted on a thread you were posting on.
Aug 20 2007 19:22
#15
Yes but I wasn't repeating it as a "lie" -- I hadn't remembered that it had been cleared up one way or another, and this was the funniest reason among the several I remember being cited. So stop lying.
Aug 20 2007 19:27
#16
MJ wrote:
Yes but I wasn't repeating it as a "lie" -- I hadn't remembered that it had been cleared up one way or another
Well, it had been. And it obviously had nothing to do with platformists. Which I'd imagine you knew.
Aug 20 2007 20:59
#17
No, not really. Shows what I get for sleeping in that day and missing my Recent IWA Expulsions seminar.
Aug 20 2007 22:41
#18
Shit politics? CRA are standing firm against authoritarian leftism and need support in this from other anarchists - which they are getting from IFA at least.
http://www.iaf-ifa.org/News/venezuala/venezuela_solidarity.html
Aug 20 2007 22:41
#19
Shit politics? CRA are standing firm against authoritarian leftism and need support in this from other anarchists - which they are getting from IFA at least.
http://www.iaf-ifa.org/News/venezuala/venezuela_solidarity.html
Aug 20 2007 23:15
#20
They're better than a lot of the alternatives, and they're not stooges of US imperialism as some people have claimed. But if they were anywhere but Venezuella, we'd poor scorn upon them, as we would with any gang of synthesists.
Aug 20 2007 23:22
#21
MJ wrote:
No, not really. Shows what I get for sleeping in that day and missing my Recent IWA Expulsions seminar.
Ah, so you saw syndicalistcat say it, replied to him, but missed the IWA secretariat clarify it 3 posts (7 hours) later, despite posting yourself later that day on the same thread.
Right.
Aug 20 2007 23:42
#22
In the same 812-post thread, on the next page, on an unrelated topic, yes. Look, I'm sorry I got it wrong, but I wasn't lying. Why would it make any sense for me to deliberately try to spread that particular mistruth?
Aug 20 2007 23:53
#23
Or, to stoop to your level: you only posted four posts after me in the same thread on the same page seven hours and four minutes later so why would you lie about what I posted?
Aug 20 2007 23:55
#24
Okay, so you missed a response to a post you were interested enough to respond to yourself on a thread you later posted on that same day.
I dunno why. You don't like the IWA? You like to feel that Platformists are persecuted? Whether or not you were "lying", you repeated as fact something that almost certainly wasn't going to be true (unless you really think that no IWA section works with Platformists anywhere?), based on being told it once, which contradicted other accounts you had heard (since you've already said you've said you heard other accounts) that made the IWA sound ridiculous. Which is close enough to a lie.
I don't actually really care, just thought it funny given how much you dislike people talking shit on your organisation, and how much you went after daniel when he was talking shit.
and ffs, the IWA has enough shit that's stupid you could latch onto without resorting to falsehood. 
Aug 21 2007 00:04
#25
MJ wrote:
Or, to stoop to your level: you only posted four posts after me in the same thread on the same page seven hours and four minutes later so why would you lie about what I posted?
The difference being I wasn't claiming as fact stuff that was untrue designed to make another anarchist organisation look ridiculous. Or perhaps rather more obviously, since you'd just said that's why they'd been expelled, you having said it before would be in character and a not totally unreasonable assumption. However, IWA expelling someone for contact with Platformists would be totally out of character, and really fucking bizarre and pretty much unbelievable.
If I'd said "NEFAC continually spreads lies about the IWA" you might have a point. But I didn't, so it's not comparable.
Aug 21 2007 00:10
#26
I like the IWA just fine.
Aug 21 2007 00:15
#27
MJ wrote:
I like the IWA just fine.
Pretty bizarre if you think we're the kind of organisation to expel sections for having contact with Platformists.
*I* wouldn't like the IWA if I thought we expelled sections for that kind of thing.
Aug 21 2007 04:19
#28
thugarchist wrote:
OliverTwister wrote:
and its the platformists who hate them the most.IT LIVES!
I don't post for 2 months, and this is the best you can think of?
I hope you did it on the clock.
Aug 21 2007 04:52
#29
OliverTwister wrote:
thugarchist wrote:
OliverTwister wrote:
and its the platformists who hate them the most.IT LIVES!
I don't post for 2 months, and this is the best you can think of?
I hope you did it on the clock.
I'm salary baby.
Aug 21 2007 06:03
#30
What's a synthesist?
Watched it, it's a bit crap really. Not awful or even too bad particularly, it's just pretty dull and makes no real serious points.