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Oct 26 2017 15:53

Serge - maybe a bit premature and harsh. The latest addition to the Plan discussion amongst themselves by Kai seems to draw back a bit from the over enthusiasm expressed by others and prefers to concentrate on other of Plan C's existing (so far unproven) strategies whilst avoiding any kind of split with those members of Plan C who clearly do want to 'engage' more directly with The LP and Momentum. That statement remains pretty confused in my opinion - more concerned with trying to justify a claimed distinctive Plan C politics that fails to convince. I'm aware that some of Plan C's earlier members left some time back for a mixture of reasons so that may happen again as things pan out and divisions continue in practice.

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Nov 1 2017 08:40

A recent article on the Plan C website:

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‘If there is hope, it lies with the Labour Party’
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The latest contribution to our series on the Labour Party is by Plan C members Camille Barbagallo, Nicholas Beuret, and David Harvie.

https://www.weareplanc.org/blog/if-there-is-hope-it-lies-with-the-labour-party/

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Nov 1 2017 10:02
rat wrote:
A recent article on the Plan C website:
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‘If there is hope, it lies with the Labour Party’
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The latest contribution to our series on the Labour Party is by Plan C members Camille Barbagallo, Nicholas Beuret, and David Harvie.

https://www.weareplanc.org/blog/if-there-is-hope-it-lies-with-the-labour-party/

Somewhat misleading headline:

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There is hope and, we are repeatedly told, that hope is to be found in the Labour Party.

We dissent from this view. We want to suggest that the turn towards a Labour Party campaigning on a social democratic manifesto isn’t a sign of increasing power for anti-capitalist social movements, but something that signals a profound crisis. Not only a weakness of the Left, or of radical social movements, or even of revolutionary groups like Plan C. More than this, it signals a serious crisis of our class. This electoral turn, like most electoral turns, is a sign of crisis of working-class power. Imagine for a moment that we had the power to truly transform the state and its complicity with capital… but then, why would we bother? If we have the power to transform the capitalist state, then we have no need to transform the state: we can simply transform society. The idea that we need the state to mediate our power is a sign of crisis in our capacity to act.

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Nov 1 2017 12:43

Danny is right that the last quoted Plan C post is much better seeming to make at least a similar point to that in my earlier post No 28 and without making any great claims for Plan C's politics being in advance of everyone else, though leaves all of us still struggling to see positive ways forward at present.

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Nov 1 2017 22:05

Plan Corbyn is Plan Bollocks.

Very disappointed in them.

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Nov 6 2017 00:39

Be interested to see some more critical content about Corbyn and the potential next Labour government from them, or even a direct response to this open letter:
https://afed.org.uk/the-world-transformed-or-staying-the-same-an-open-letter-to-plan-c/

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Nov 7 2017 18:14

Yes a useful criticism by the AF and a relevant comparison with the experience of Big Flame. I noticed that Plan C considered it worth interviewing Max Farrar about his experiences with the old Big Flame group in there short lived BAMN journal (although chose not to mention his now support for Hizmet).

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Nov 7 2017 21:41

Indeed that open letter was well worth the read and put much into perspective

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Nov 8 2017 22:01

It is a good article by Bonnie VandeSteeg and Nick Heath and deserves a reply from Plan C.
Any chance of that I wonder?

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Nov 9 2017 13:09

Well this latest contribution from a Plan C member (see https://www.weareplanc.org/blog/corbyn-statecraft-and-radical-politics-an-autonomist-and-left-libertarian-caution/) seems to take on board at least some of the criticism in the AF Open Letter and seeks to preserve Plan C's independence from the Labour Party/Momentum whirlwind but still allow some 'individual' members to sink much of their efforts in precisely that direction. Whilst wanting to keep independent of parliamentary politics and what it describes as national 'statecraft' it is still open to dabbling in a bit of radical municipalism. Keeping their common identity as part of 'the Left', even if that is only its insignificant experimental fringe, seems more important to them than coming to any definitive collective opposition to both capitalism and it's supportive state apparatus at all levels.

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Nov 16 2017 10:45
Dannny wrote:
rat wrote:
A recent article on the Plan C website:
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‘If there is hope, it lies with the Labour Party’
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The latest contribution to our series on the Labour Party is by Plan C members Camille Barbagallo, Nicholas Beuret, and David Harvie.

https://www.weareplanc.org/blog/if-there-is-hope-it-lies-with-the-labour-party/

Somewhat misleading headline

The title is an almost-quote from George Orwell. In 1984, the hopeless Winston keeps repeating, "If there is hope it lies with the proles".