Planning Meeting for N9 National Demo and Walkout // Cock Tavern Pub London // 7pm Thursday 22nd September

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Sep 19 2011 12:50
Planning Meeting for N9 National Demo and Walkout // Cock Tavern Pub London // 7pm Thursday 22nd September

A call-out for anarchists/anti-authoritarians in London to meet to decide how we can organize ourselves in a united, collective and political way for Nov 9 and the build up to the day.

General ideas:
1. To have a collective, visible anarchist presence on the day.
2. To mobilize locally in a coordinated way.
3. To plan other actions in support of students and education workers.

Agenda items can be sent to this email address: n9mobilization@gmail.com

After a period of political lull, students are mobilising again for their first big action this year – a national demonstration-cum-walkout on November 9. The march is focused against cuts to the education sector, and is meant to involve not just students but education sector workers as well. Student activists themselves have expressed willingness to work with a broad cross-section of students, student representatives, activist groups and radicals to make this march a success and hopefully rejuvenate the student/anti-cuts movement.
https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=172700659466128

As anarchists and radicals a non-privatised, not-for-profit education available to all is an issue we should support. This is an opportunity to show our collective solidarity, as well as openly express to the wider society what values we, as anarchists, stand for. At the same time, we are also students, teachers and parents ourselves. Therefore, this is a fight in which we have personal as well as political stakes.

This event provides us with the opportunity to start forming the networks and links we need to work together as a movement, not just for N9 but also for all the big events coming up in the near future and beyond, and for articulating alternatives to the traditional Left which is failing, yet again, to reach the vast majority of the public.

Contact: n9mobilization@gmail.com

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Sep 19 2011 14:41

Is it possible to tell the full address of the pub, because there are plenty with this name smile

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Sep 19 2011 18:30

Who is this "Callout" ( surely an over-used term) from? Was there any attempt to contact groups and organisations beforehand as to whether this was the best date or is this the usual flit from issue to issue stuff so characteristic of the London "scene"?

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Sep 19 2011 18:47
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Is it possible to tell the full address of the pub, because there are plenty with this name :)

The Cock Tavern, 23 Phoenix Road, King's Cross, London NW1 1HB

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Sep 19 2011 18:49
Battlescarred wrote:
Who is this "Callout" ( surely an over-used term) from? Was there any attempt to contact groups and organisations beforehand as to whether this was the best date or is this the usual flit from issue to issue stuff so characteristic of the London "scene"?

Don't shoot the messenger! I played no part in calling the meeting or organising it though I'm happy to promote it. Why don't you email them and ask them? I think one person mentioned this at the last AF/SF hosted anti-cuts forum.

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Sep 19 2011 18:52

Have done so already- haven't had an answer yet. Yes someone did raise it at anti-cuts forum but said it would be on a Tuesday.

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Sep 19 2011 20:00
Battlescarred wrote:
Have done so already- haven't had an answer yet. Yes someone did raise it at anti-cuts forum but said it would be on a Tuesday.

I think they intended it to happen on Tuesday but couldn't get a venue sorted, hence the fall back and it happening on thursday. will let them know.

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Sep 19 2011 21:07

You see, I worry this may go the same way as the J30 public assemblies: a lot of energy but a lot of political difference and very little focus. And, in the end...

I think, personally, part of the problem is that we need long-term, stable organisation to build successful mobilizations, not the sort of ad-hoc broad-base anarchist-activist groupings that seem to come out of efforts such as these.

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Sep 19 2011 21:58
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You see, I worry this may go the same way as the J30 public assemblies: a lot of energy but a lot of political difference and very little focus. And, in the end...

I think, personally, part of the problem is that we need long-term, stable organisation to build successful mobilizations, not the sort of ad-hoc broad-base anarchist-activist groupings that seem to come out of efforts such as these.

I agree in part. But you can't argue for things not to be done in a certain way if you don't take opportunities yourself. I mean were AF/SolFed going to organising such a meeting? Did anyone from SolFed/AF participate in the Open Assembly called by students last week?

I would argue that there is a similar narrative throughout all the things that were done this year - that of responding collectively as anarchists - and as you yourself admitted, SolFed/AF prioritise things different which is fair enough but you really can't expect the rest of us to wait for these initiative to be organised for us.

As for the J30 Assemblies, well the focus was supporting the strikes and the main call out was about promoting the pickets and bringing non-unionised people on the streets. What, and most importantly HOW, would you have suggested this be done differently.

On a separate note I will start off a debate about N30Strike - as I think we are making moves to get groups together informally next week to see what ideas we have around it. No invite yet but pencilled in for next monday. Will PM people.

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Sep 19 2011 22:36

raw, i think there's a feeling by some - probably including me but i haven't thought too much about it - that SF didn't adequately follow up the Office Angels campaign because everything switched to building J30. so there's a wariness towards a mobilisation cycle of 'big days' (J30, N9, N30 etc) which can act to the detriment of longer term/ongoing work. That said, almost certainly SF will be doing stuff on the day, but we haven't discussed this yet in my Local at least. So the 'priorities' thing here isn't that we don't think this kind of thing is important, but that there's a danger of falling into a cycle of big days out: if we start building for each one 6-7 weeks out, that doesn't leave much time do for ongoing organising efforts.

Having not discussed it yet, i don't know what we'll do. It may be we try and issue some kind of call-out like the Radical Workers' Blocs last year, or if someone else takes the initiative we may just follow the lead. I would encourage whoever's involved to keep our external relations officer in the loop though [solfed[AT]solfed.org.uk], we've mandated them for specifically this kind of thing, and it's frustrating when people complain after the fact about a lack of SF involvement when nobody bothered to email us in advance!

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Sep 20 2011 00:04

I'm definitely going. I'd imagine the discussion will be as much about next weeks freshers fairs and radicalism on campuses in general as the november 9th demo.

Battlescarred wrote:
Have done so already- haven't had an answer yet. Yes someone did raise it at anti-cuts forum but said it would be on a Tuesday.

well thats life innit, i'm sure one of youse can go no?

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Sep 20 2011 00:13
Joseph Kay wrote:
it's frustrating when people complain after the fact about a lack of SF involvement when nobody bothered to email us in advance!

This isn;t fair at all, in north london we were contacted directly by the organisers.
I think though there is a problem of this being a bit london centric, but i think everyone involved would admit this is a fairly obvious problem in terms of capacity and organisation atm and theres no point being overly negative about this, afterall its gonna be brought up at the meeting no doubt.
If theres any issues brighton sf or brighton students who are unable to attend at short notice want brought up i'd be happy to bring them up since i'm going, just pm or email me.

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Sep 20 2011 00:58
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This isn;t fair at all, in north london we were contacted directly by the organisers.

if London SF were contacted then that's fine, there's no problem. It's not 'unfair', since we just had that exact dynamic on the Tower Hamlets thread. I was simply asking people to keep us in the loop, it seems they have, so there's no problem.

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Sep 20 2011 06:23
Joseph Kay wrote:
raw, i think there's a feeling by some - probably including me but i haven't thought too much about it - that SF didn't adequately follow up the Office Angels campaign because everything switched to building J30. so there's a wariness towards a mobilisation cycle of 'big days' (J30, N9, N30 etc) which can act to the detriment of longer term/ongoing work. That said, almost certainly SF will be doing stuff on the day, but we haven't discussed this yet in my Local at least. So the 'priorities' thing here isn't that we don't think this kind of thing is important, but that there's a danger of falling into a cycle of big days out: if we start building for each one 6-7 weeks out, that doesn't leave much time do for ongoing organising efforts.

Having not discussed it yet, i don't know what we'll do. It may be we try and issue some kind of call-out like the Radical Workers' Blocs last year, or if someone else takes the initiative we may just follow the lead. I would encourage whoever's involved to keep our external relations officer in the loop though [solfed[AT]solfed.org.uk], we've mandated them for specifically this kind of thing, and it's frustrating when people complain after the fact about a lack of SF involvement when nobody bothered to email us in advance!

Agree. More communication, More joint work. But it works both ways, no? I mean all I here back at these debates on here is that "well we discussed it between AF and SolFed" or "it was an internal discussion why should we discuss it with anyone else".....from AF and SolFed members. Question is to make inclusive spaces - which I attempt to do through things like J30...etc. But it has to be reciprocal and consultative. So yes, will keep SolFed and anyone else in the loop of what we're thinking of planning for N30 and welcome your ideas/thoughts on it.

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Sep 20 2011 07:00

There was this Raw, which had a pretty good attendance:

http://solfed.org.uk/?q=all-out-for-june-30th-report-back-on-the-public-meeting

and this:

http://solfed.org.uk/?q=training-organisers-in-the-education-industry

Both events were pretty widely promoted and sent to the fucking buff J30 website.

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Sep 20 2011 09:18
Chilli Sauce wrote:
There was this Raw, which had a pretty good attendance:

http://solfed.org.uk/?q=all-out-for-june-30th-report-back-on-the-public-meeting

and this:

http://solfed.org.uk/?q=training-organisers-in-the-education-industry

Both events were pretty widely promoted and sent to the fucking buff J30 website.

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Sep 20 2011 10:53

might be abit late in with this but, speaking as a outsider to the workings of london, i don't get what's the big issue about not having specialised e-mails sent to your org. i mean, what about others that attend who don't belong to an org, they surely find out from somewhere. why don't an af or solfed member that see's the callout put it up on their own lists.
if it's a call for more organised networking between london groups, then fair enough. but stop making out that it's really hard to find out when these things are going on.

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Sep 20 2011 12:43

Surely for SF people this isn't really our forum anyway? Sure, we can check it out, see what links we can make, how plans cross over etc. But we have our own strategy - and it's not building a "visible anarchist presence" - it's building anarcho-syndicalist tactics. If this kind of meeting can help with that, then great, but to be blunt (and honest) our involvement should be restricted to just that. In a period of ruling class offensive right now, the stakes are too high for such sectarian displays of unity.

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Sep 20 2011 16:10
raw wrote:
Agree. More communication, More joint work. But it works both ways, no? I mean all I here back at these debates on here is that "well we discussed it between AF and SolFed" or "it was an internal discussion why should we discuss it with anyone else".....from AF and SolFed members. Question is to make inclusive spaces - which I attempt to do through things like J30...etc.

Apart from the joint spaces (fair play to you when youre involved in organising them), its a bit difficult to make contact with people who aren't in a publicly visible group. And even when we suspect that you may be involved raw and we might as well contact you about it, that does create a dynamic and reliance on well connected and in-the know-individuals which i personally disagree with...

p.s raw i havnt really debated with you on here before i think but i know our political approach differs so i hope in advance we maintain a comradely tone!