24th bnp scab union launch demo?

I'm not suprised they didn't reply to you, you come across like an anarcho duracell bunny on speed.

mentalist fuckwit.

here;s the thing dickhead, when your going to do an "Action" as you put it, it's best to not go around shoutting about it like an excitable toddler of his tits on lemonade.

Also I live in Belfast so how exactly to do you think i should take action on this?

That "action" by those Greek anarchists was wank, as are insurrectionism and your sub-situ rambling. What the fuck do we need millitant anti-fascism against the BNP for these days anyway? Counterproductive, adolescent shit.

right, because anarchism = anti-fascism

although to be fair, that does seem to be your definition

what are you banging on about now you lil gooner twat?
I was making a general point about anarchism not being about anti fascism, and that anti fascism as an ideology (rather than a pratical response as part of the class struggle) has historically shafted anarchism. As for Dauve, well i thought his argument in Aufheben was somewhat passe and obvious, infact i think he's a bit overrated in general.

What's funny is that we wouldn't be having this conversation if Arsenal hadn't scraped through last night.

what an incredible load of shit on all sides.

Mobilising aganist the BNP's attempts to subvert and obscure the point of industrial organising and unions for their own divisive agenda is most definitely on the menu for anarchists.

The BNP have the ability to move the political debate in this counbtry way way to the right and take normal majority concerns like housing and welfare into a area of thinking concerned with immigration and corporatism, not autonomy and solidarity. They can and are doing a hell of a lot of damage, though currently no more than the conservative consensus in most newspapers; the difference is, the BNP will actually physically act on this kind of thinking and bring whole areas along with them.

It makes it much much harder to get our points across.

The initial thread on this discussed the possibility of the BNP/Solidarity creating a wave of anti-immigrant labour pickets and strikes. This is a real and serious threat.

So characterise it as a bunch of hardnuts who'd just as soon be hoolies rucking with also-ran nazis if you like, but that is neither the theory or practice of contemporary antifascism in this country.

Also, as i have tried to suggest before, futuretech is clearly not all there. Victimising him (and its gotta be a him) when your points are so blindingly obvious just illustrates a personal taste for abuse. Its not particularly hurtful, most nutters have very thick skins; its a poor comment on the people who line up 'OMG U NUTTER' when its self evident.

yeah there is that

no, but then you weren't on one of the 'sides' that i'm referring too. Yes, you did make my point earlier, so what?

You want a fucking cookie or something? Fuck off!

[gives ftony a cookie]

nah not buying it for a number of reasons, a) streetfighting tactics aren't going to beat the BNP, b) the threat from the BNP is overplayed in order to noramlise the mainstream parties attacks on minorities, rights and the working class in general, c) Anti facism as an axis to organise round is bullshit, if there are fascists stirring up shit in your area or trying to make inroads you get together and deal with it on that basis ie it's harm to the working class.

What's most embarrassing is that the Red Action AFA lot realised this many moons ago, the IWCA being a response to this, whilst our "hardier than hard anarcho anti fascists" still have their heads stuck in the 80's.

exactly, i'm not going to cry cos some BNP scum got a kicking but lets be clear that the same tactics that put the NF off the streets aren't going to work on the BNP and it's European chums.

That seems to be the emphasis of much of the literature that working class anti-fascist groups put out. I also think that anti-fascist organising can be quite a productive way of introducing people into class struggle politics.

This may be the case with some people, but most of those who espouse the "kick it till it breaks" approach and nothing else are predominantly posers and arent involved with antifa or any other working class anti-fascist group. There is currently a real effort being made by some anti-fascist groups to move towards overt class struggle community based organising in an effort to take away the ground that the bnp et al organise on. Only a fool would think that fascism is going to disappear just because some of the fools who choose to follow it get a good kicking.

SO here you have a new comrade who wants to fight the BNP and the fascists and this is the reponse from the some of the Libcom regulars? Oh dear Revol, maybe you should stop reading your ladybird book of wibertarian communism and look at the reality of the situation.

A) There is a real need for direct action against those cunts in the BNP, against thier organisation and all political initiatives related to it. They must be destroyed ASAP.

b) There is a real need for a movement which engages on a mass popular level the struggles of people - be it around work, migration, gentrification, housing, police...etc.

I think some people in Antifa groups are trying to do both.

Anyway I think we constantly need a capability for street-based violence - as and when needed - be it against fascists, religious nutters or police.

Raw