The Effect on Anti-Fascists of Nick Griffin's Trial......
Jan 15 2006 11:27
Will our cause be made easier, or harder if Griffin is jailed following his trial that starts on Monday?
Will the BNP receive an upsurge in support/members due to the publicity such a trial will bring, or will the party dissipate minus Griffin's presence?
With campaigning for the May elections due to start, does this trial give Griffin a headstart in campaigning, when other parties, and anti-fascists, are not off the starting blocks?
Should Griffin not be convicted, where would that leave state sponsored anti-fascism of the Searchlight/BBC variety, as the instigators of the programme that brought about his prosecution?
Finally if Griffin is jailed for remarks he has made about Muslims, does it increase the likelihood of political groups on the left, including anarchists being charged for comments made about religious groups, organisations or individuals?
Jan 15 2006 12:10
#2
Some background on his comments at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin#Recent_arrest_and_charges
If I recall correctly from the TV programme, he was filmed saying that Islam was a wicked religion, and that he could get 13 years in jail for saying so.
As I have stated elsewhere, it is no coincidence that his trial starts just a week after Abu Hamza's, allowing the British state to portray itself as the neutral protector of all its citizens from extremists of all hues.
There were even suggestions, last week, that the police were looking into comments made by (usually tame) Muslim leader Sir Iqbal Sacranie that homosexuality and same-sex marriages were wrong:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4579146.stm
I can't believe the British state wants to open this particular can of worms - virtually all religions oppose homosexuality, yet a principle of this government appears to be that all religions, and all sexual preferences are equal and to be respected.
Figure that one out if you can!
Jan 15 2006 13:06
#3
PaulMarsh wrote:
Will our cause be made easier, or harder if Griffin is jailed following his trial that starts on Monday?
It's a difficult question to answer, but I'm not looking forward to the triumphal gloating if he gets off. Perhaps a community service sentence working as a cleaner in a Halal slaughterhouse would be appropriate for him.
Jan 18 2006 09:44
#4
Changing the subject a bit whilst reading the blog nick griffen wrote i was surprised to read the folowing,any info on the below,mainly who got nicked and it would be good to hear news onthe team from london:
With a bit more time now to set down my thoughts, I need to put on record my very sincere thanks to the big team from London who formed the backbone of the very professional security operation yesterday. While our security arrangements will, of course, be tight throughout the trial, the first day was of course particularly important. Despite the far-left getting nothing like the record turnout they had boasted they would, the fact that seven of them were arrested during the day is an indication of how much hate afflicts these people, and just how much they and their ilk have to be guarded against. Incidentally, it is clear that our demonstration policy of ignoring their provocations, and the contrast between the orderly, utterly decent-looking pro-free speech demo and the screeching freak show from UAF, had a big impact on the huge number of police officers present. While that collection of hysterical cranks bawled obscenities and made throat-cutting gestures, our people sang nationalist ballads and hymns. While they were howling "shoot the bastards", our people chanted "freedom". That, as Mr. Punch would say, is the way to do it!
Griffen the fuck wit surely MR punch said "thats the way to do it"
Jan 18 2006 09:59
#5
Indeed the "BNP security team" has traditionally been Scottish, and led by Warren Bennett.
The London angle appears a new one.
Jan 19 2006 15:55
#6
"I honestly don't hate asylum seekers .... the people I hate are the white politicians that have sold us down the line."
Statement from Griffen in hes latest blog page......now thats something you dont here everyday or is he just covering hes arse...seems quite content in praising the judge a few times in the trial.....maybe he is hopeing that the judge is an old school bigatied right wing fart which they all seem to be..... 
Jan 19 2006 21:06
#7
He should be careful about blogging on court matters, contempt can get you banged up...
Jan 20 2006 09:16
#8
I believe that, in this respect, we have already won this case. The verdict is irrelevant, save that a guilty verdict will only add martyr status for both of us to my growing reputation as a prophet!
.....Bluddy Hell i thought i was reading Captain Hooks Abu Hamzas blog,prophet my arse as for a martyr i cant see Griffen straping a bomb on himself.......
I guess it's OK to get dressed and go and see if mine hosts are still awake... 
another Nazi slip up by griffen i think... and guessing that he gets dressed up as "Mine-Fuher" we can only disgustenly imagine,what a knob.
Jan 20 2006 09:26
#9
Saii wrote:
He should be careful about blogging on court matters, contempt can get you banged up...
Has anyone else ever done this before? It seems a but dubious legally....
Jan 20 2006 10:41
#10
andycrap wrote:
will only add martyr status for both of us to my growing reputation as a prophet!
Christ I'm amazed he manages to crawl out of his own arsehole early enough to get to court every morning....
Jan 21 2006 10:54
#11
In two related developments
1) The disappearance of Griffin's (highly paid) original security team led by Bennett is of great significance. Even aside from the fact this involved a slick getaway of a TWOC-like nature....
2) The claimed (on VNN) resignation of BNP Group Development Officer Tony Lecomber for an "embarrassing" approach to a non-party member in fact refers to him meeting ex-BNP 'hard man' Joe Owens in order to solicit him to take 'direct action' (of a lethal kind) against various members of the political establishment: in common Scouse parlance, solicitation to murder.
The interesting question therefore (aside from the timing during Griffin's trial) is precisely which fraction of the state apparatus Lecomber has been acting on behalf of in this endeavour, and indeed over a much longer period. Such a chilling thought is enough to make you hypoglycaemic even...
Jan 21 2006 21:20
#12
So you reckon this Lecomber guy is on MI5 payroll or something? Isnt this a bit of a revelation? I was amazed that the number two in SinnFein was exposed as being on the MI5 payroll, is their anyone in the upper ranks of these organisations who isnt in cohorts with the secret services? And what does this say about how far the secret services are willing to get involved? Is there no action they wont get involved in or support in order to keep their position a hidden one?
Jan 21 2006 23:04
#13
In answer to your questions
1) Possibly--or Special Branch.
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Nothing we didn't know already--'StakeKnife Tartare anyone?'
5) No
Jan 22 2006 19:08
#14
any chance you could elaborate on point 4 mate?
Quote:
4) Nothing we didn't know already--'StakeKnife Tartare anyone?
whats stakeknife tartare?
Jan 22 2006 20:02
#15
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
any chance you could elaborate on point 4 mate?Quote:
4) Nothing we didn't know already--'StakeKnife Tartare anyone?whats stakeknife tartare?
Stakeknife= IRA internal security man Frank Scappaticci & others, who carried out various actions, including murder, on behalf of Army Intelligence over the last few years--even including whacking others working for the secret state to protect Scappaticci.
Tartare= a sauce, usually used with steak, hence a (perhaps poor) play of words on my part....
Jan 22 2006 20:09
#16
Yeah, basically whacked people accused of being touts and doing what they were at while on occassion allowing other members of the security forces, and members other intelligence groups, to be taken out by the RA to protect their positions. Collusion truly does seem to be everywhere.
Jan 22 2006 21:33
#17
Jan 22 2006 23:18
#18
Boulcolonialboy wrote:
Yeah, basically whacked people accused of being touts and doing what they were at while on occassion allowing other members of the security forces, and members other intelligence groups, to be taken out by the RA to protect their positions. Collusion truly does seem to be everywhere.
Their charming nickname was the "Nutting Squad".....
Feb 1 2006 00:09
#19
PaulMarsh wrote:
Some background on his comments at:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin#Recent_arrest_and_charges
If I recall correctly from the TV programme, he was filmed saying that Islam was a wicked religion, and that he could get 13 years in jail for saying so.
As I have stated elsewhere, it is no coincidence that his trial starts just a week after Abu Hamza's, allowing the British state to portray itself as the neutral protector of all its citizens from extremists of all hues.
There were even suggestions, last week, that the police were looking into comments made by (usually tame) Muslim leader Sir Iqbal Sacranie that homosexuality and same-sex marriages were wrong:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4579146.stm
I can't believe the British state wants to open this particular can of worms - virtually all religions oppose homosexuality, yet a principle of this government appears to be that all religions, and all sexual preferences are equal and to be respected.
Figure that one out if you can!
he was also filmed calling Stephen Lawrence a drug dealer and saying that it was a matter of public record that his murderer was black. which is, legal or not, a big porkie, and has come up in court.
Feb 2 2006 15:29
#20
A jury at Leeds Crown Court has acquitted BNP activist Mark Collett of four racial hatred charges. The jury is still considering its verdicts on another four charges and those against BNP leader Nick Griffin.
...........Im sure this news doesnt surprise many people...
Feb 2 2006 19:21
#21
both aquitted.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4672792.stm.
Feb 3 2006 15:18
#22
one response
bollox
Feb 3 2006 16:13
#23
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4672792.stm
Facing retrial.
Feb 3 2006 17:12
#24
The trial didn't seem to have a bad effect on their electioneering though, just the reverse. BNP came second in the Amber Valley Borough - Heanor and Loscoea council by election yesterday. They got more than 30% of the vote, and came within 159 votes of Labour who won.
Amber Valley Borough - Heanor and Loscoe: Lab 570, BNP 411, Con 317, Lib Dem 61. (June 2004 - Lab 905, C 774).
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/byelections/story/0,,1701579,00.html
Feb 3 2006 18:38
#25
to be honest i think nick griffin and his cronies should be able, under law, to say what they want, providing they dont grumble about the consequences.
Feb 3 2006 19:10
#26
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
to be honest i think nick griffin and his cronies should be able, under law, to say what they want, providing they dont grumble about the consequences.
You fucking liberal! 
If they have any rights under the law, then I should have a right to take them away!
Feb 3 2006 19:24
#27
its not as if we can expect the state to help us in the fight against fascism! Its their fucking ball game!
Feb 3 2006 19:36
#28
Sorry, I thought you were suggesting they should be allowed a platform!
Feb 3 2006 21:20
#29
Quote:
Sorry, I thought you were suggesting they should be allowed a platform!
only a concrete one, preferably strapped tightly to their feet whilst wresting gently on the bed of a deep river or canal.
Feb 16 2006 06:17
#30
Perhaps the discussion should not be about the effect the trial has on comitted anti-fascists, but where this farce leaves the BBC/Searchlight/police/UAF strategy of criminalisation of the BNP?
Rather like Northern Ireland, it appears that denouncing political rivals as criminals, and pursuing them in the courts, does not neccesarily work.....
i can see the risks involved and this could certainly backfire.
Do you have a good source of what the charges are, and what did he allegedly say?