antifascist murdered in madrid
Nov 12 2007 10:20
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Today an antifascist activist was stabbed in the heart when on his way to a demo in Madrid. A nazi group called Democracia Nacional had called for a demo against immigration in a popular neighborhood in town, where many foregin antionals live, mainly latin american workers. This fascist act had been authorised by the local governement, from the conservative party. Another demo was called by antifascist groups to defend the area. While on his way there, the comrade, only 16 years of age, together with some friends, spotted a guy sporting nazi paraphernalia on the underground. When "called to attention", the bastard pulled out a knife, stabbed Carlos, the comrade, in the heart, and another antifascist militant in the lung, while trying to run out of the tube station. Carlos died, the other guy has been badly hurt, but doctors say he will live.
The others in the group of antifascists chased the bastard, and beat him within an inch of his life, until the police arrived and attacked the antifascists. The nazi is (was) a service person, in the spanish army. He is now in a critical condition in hospital, where I hope he will die soon.
Also, a guy in the antifascist lot was hurt when police shot him in the eye with a rubber bullet.
There´s been demos all over the state, many ending in riots, which in turn have seen some arrested and wounded by the police. You can see pictures on http://klinamen.org/article3360.htmlThis is particularly worrying, if it could be any more, by the fact that the 20th of November, the traditional show down between the scum and the antifascists is so close. That´s the anniversary of Franco´s death, when the fascists always call for a demo that every year is swiftly countered. So there will be more violence to come....
that link also has a news video [http://klinamen.org/article3360.html ]
fuck.
Nov 12 2007 11:32
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The events occurred after some 300 antifascists gathered to prevent a nazi demo from taking part in Madrid’s Usera district. The nazi demo had been called by the youth wing of the extreme right and fascist party Democracia Nacional (National Democracy)The fascists has called to demonstrate for ‘rights for spanish people’ and ‘against immigration’. As often happens in these sort of demosntrations, violent groups of neo-nazi skin-head scum turn up to heat things up. It is also often the case that after these demos, there’s always groups of fascists drifting arount town looking for any sign of ‘unpure white spanish identity’ or any ‘smell of immigrants’ or ‘rojos’ (left wing people). This has often resulted in attacks to several people that comes accross the self styled vigilante, or to bars where young lefty people hang out. Even though this is the norm everytime the scum from Democracia Nacional calls for a public event, the authorities don’t doubt to give them permission, so their demos are actually legal, whilst the antifa protests normally atract the riot police, dententions and subsequent court cases.
As the police often seem to spend their resources protecting the fascists, and attacking the antifas, people normally have no other choice but to organise themselves when the nazis are in town. And this morning was no different. A strong crowd of around 300 antifascists, anachist and autonomists gathered in Usera to try to stop the nazi demo. They actually didn’t manage to completely stop it , but they at least managed to short it down considerably by blocking the planned route of the fascist demosntration. Riot police eventually clashed with the antifa, including the use of rubber bullets. As a result, one antifascist protestor got hit with a rubber bullet in the head and he is now in hospital in a serious condition, albeit not life threatening.
After the demo, a group of antifascist protestors were in the Legazpi tube station waiting for a train. When the train arrives they see a group of nazi scum on board, so they immediately clash. The antifascist were trying to get them out of the train when one of the scum produces a kitchen knife and stats to aim to anyone that approaches him. As a result, two young antifa (17 and 20 years of age) got stabbed. They both were immediately taken to hospital as the injuries seemed pretty serious straightaway as they both were bleeding extensively. Both antifa activists were injured in the lungs and in the area near to the hart, injuries that proved fatal for one of them , being pronaounce pronounced dead a few hours after arriving to the hospital. The other activist has undergone extensive surgery, and it seem he is recovering although his situation is still critical according to doctors.
A series of protest demos have already been called in different cities of the Spanish state for this evening. As I type this there are around 1000 people demonstrating in downtown Madrid, and around 150 gathering in St, Jaume Square in central Barcelona. Reports are also coming in of demos being called in Logroño, Valladolid, Zaragoza, Valencia, Castello, Alacant, Zamora, Sevilla, Bilbo, Donosti, Girona, Lleida and Tarragona.
Coverage of tonight’s demos in spanish here:
http://www.lahaine.org/index.php?p=25630
Timeline of this morning’s events here:
Nov 12 2007 11:40
#3
well if anyone is quite so plastic as take comfort in arrogant nazis having the shit beaten out of them after mouthing off to police cameras and *trying to march through the jewish quarter in Prague to commemorate kristalnacht* then here you go http://aktualne.centrum.cz/video/?id=113297
Nov 12 2007 11:51
#4
Solidarity four our comrades. It seems like it's getting more and more dangerous across Europe, can't show enough respect to comrades who continue to organise.
Nov 12 2007 12:09
#5
the last time i was in madrid last christmas, i was surrounded by boneheads on the metro. They interrogated me in spanish over my politics and checked me for any political badges or patches, but i was able to pretend i didn't understand them and was just a tourist.
This happened to me and i was only there for 2 days.
Nov 12 2007 21:29
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Report:
Today an antifascist activist was stabbed in the heart when on his way to a demo in Madrid.
A nazi group called Democracia Nacional had called for a demo against immigration in a popular neighborhood in town, where many foregin na
tionals live, mainly latin american workers. This fascist act had been authorised by the local governement, from the conservative party. Another demo was called by antifascist groups to defend the area. While on his way there, the comrade, only 16 years of age, together with some friends, spotted a guy sporting nazi paraphernalia on the underground. When "called to attention", the bastard pulled out a knife, stabbed Carlos, the comrade, in the heart, and another antifascist militant in the lung, while trying to run out of the tube station. Carlos died, the other guy has been badly hurt, but doctors say he will live.
The others in the group of antifascists chased the bastard, and beat him within an inch of his life, until the police arrived and attacked the antifascists. The nazi is (was) a service person, in the spanish army. He is now in a critical condition in hospital, where I hope he will die soon.
Also, a guy in the antifascist lot was hurt when police shot him in the eye with a rubber bullet. There´s been demos all over the state, many ending in riots, which in turn have seen some arrested and wounded by the police.
More Reports:
http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=939
Pictures:
R.I.P.
More Pictures : http://klinamen.org/article3360.html
Nov 12 2007 21:39
#7
Good grief 
Nov 15 2007 01:37
#8
Carlos Javier Palomino
Quote:
Red November, black November,
Bleak November, black and red.
Hallowed month of labor’s martyrs,
Labor’s heroes, labor’s dead.Labor’s wrath and hope and sorrow,
Red the promise, black the threat,
Who are we not to remember?
Who are we to dare forget?Black and red the colors blended,
Black and red the pledge we made,
Red until the fight is ended,
Black until the debt is paid.— By Ralph Chaplin
author of Solidarity Forever
Nov 15 2007 02:09
#9
There will most likely be a memorial in london on the same day as the big demo's in Spain (24th of this month) - also to protest the banning of the antifa march whilst the fascist march has been permitted.
Nov 15 2007 20:58
#10
keep us updated on that pls tacks
Nov 15 2007 21:18
#11
will chase it up now.
Nov 16 2007 17:46
#12
Amount of dead antifascists this year. What the fuck.
Nov 17 2007 01:29
#13
Russia:
Timur Kacharava (21.08.1985 - 13.11.2005) - Anti-fascist activist, anarchist, musician
Alexander Ryuchin (Died 16.4 2006) - Anti Fascist, on way to punk gig.
Ovanes Ajriumian (Died 20.10.2007) Antifascist and drummer from Toxic Trace.
Ivan Yelin (Died 15.01.2007) - Anti Fascist.
Ilya Borodaenko Died (02.07.2007)
12.12.2006 | Two anarchists stabbed in St. Petersburg
http://www.avtonom.org/index.php?nid=448
Thats all i could find in around 5mins of researching.
Nov 17 2007 01:52
#14
edit: not the thread for drunken posts
Nov 17 2007 19:25
#15
Major casualties of neo-Nazi violence in Spain:
sickening.
Nov 19 2007 16:16
#16
Here in Spain fascist and neonazist violence is spreading, all around. Hard places to go are some areas in Madrid city, Zaragoza and Valencia. Unfortunately some nazis come from working class districts. The emptyness of our times brings this result.
Police sources say there're around 8,000 organised nazis in all the country (they also says there're around 15000 antifa). In press and tv is the trend to mix up nazis and antifash, stating that antifascist use the same methods, and that we are the same shit. Politicians, police and media are playing at the two demon theory (ultra-leftists and ultra-rightists are violent and chaotic barbarian, politician are in the centre, they are democratic). It's also commonly used the theory that we, the anarchists and communists are supported by Basque 'terrorists' from Batasuna and the basque separatist movement. All right, they are antifascist as well, as they have a vaguely marxist ideology, though they donot get involved in antifash struggle outside the Basque country. However, we appear to be very dangerous in tv sensationalist news.
Nov 19 2007 16:30
#17
Cheers for the info mate, interesting stuff. How aligned do you see the estimated '15000 antifa' - in this country the left like Trotskyists and Communists in their various parties have not been militant antifascists since the 1980's. They have non confrontational events, and would run a mile from a spansih style Antifa event. Is this the same in spain or do some Trots and Commies support antifa?
On ther media bullshit about antifa being the other side of the coin to the fascists - a quick response would be 'how many people have antifa ever killed?'
Nov 20 2007 14:28
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On ther media bullshit about antifa being the other side of the coin to the fascists - a quick response would be 'how many people have antifa ever killed?'
i wouldnt of thought this would hold much water with the media, theyd probably reply by pointing out its not through antifas lack of trying and take a picture of a nazi having his head stamped on.
I think its quite common for people to tar antifa with the same brush as the fash, particularly amongst your average, middle of the road fence sitters. theres a tendency to say about the fash "let them have their say, its their democratic right", as moronic as this idea is, the idea that we allow a platform to those who would have us incarcerated and butchered, i think its important to tackle it with a coherent argument of what fascism actually entails and juxtaposing this ideology with the class struggle politics of Antifa, otherwise all the public see is two sets of "thugs" kicking lumps out of each other.
Nov 20 2007 15:32
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'how many people have antifa ever killed?'
That's a tricky question in spain. If Basque left separatists are considered as a part of the Antifascist movt. then, antifascists are murderers as well. Antifas use the same tactics than the basque radical nationalist youth (not ETA). So, for the media and politicians the ecuation is: some antifas like (and usually love) these basques, this radical separatist youth is terrorist (according to Spanish law), then we're terrorists as well. This respect and attraction comes from their aesthetics, its pseudomarxist positions and mostly because basque struggle has been the only real threat that has faced the spanish state in the last years. Communists have idolatrized those basque movts. for years. Of course antifascist are much more than 15000, but militant antifas (communists, autonomous, anarchists, left separatists, punks&skins antifas and so on) may be that figure.
Fascist vote is around 48,000 votes in all spain, divided in 7 competing parties and around 20 organizations claiming to be the true expression of spanish fascists... The main danger in Spain is the Popular Party (Partido Popular, PP) which hosts literally hundreds of thousands of fascists that usually ignore the smaller fascist parties that often fight among themselves. A big fascist party in Spain would necessarily start through a major crisis in PP and a radicalization of its right-wing / conservative positions inside.
Nov 20 2007 17:04
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DEMORIAL NEXT SATURDAY CENTRAL LONDON
Next Saturday 24th noon at Southbank, by the monument to the international brigades in Jubilee Gardens, we´ll gather to honour the memory of Carlos, an antifascist who was killed two weeks ago by a nazi in Madrid.
On November the 11th a nazi party had called a demonstration against inmigrants in a working class area of Madrid, a neighbourhood where workers from many parts of the wolrd live. This racist provocation had been authorised by the government. To protest against this, many antifascists gathered to defend the area. While on his way there, Carlos was stabbed in the heart by a nazi with a hunting knife. He bleed to death on an underground platform. He was sixteen. Another friend of him, Alex, was also stabbed and his recovering in hospital to a chest wound.
Only in the last week there were up to five fascist and nazi demos in Madrid, four of which had been authorised by the governement. The antifascist platform had called for one on the 24th which has been banned. On that same day, we will gather to honour the memory of our comrade Carlos, and to protest the criminalisation of the antifascist movement by the spanish authorities and the media.
Saturday 24th November Antifascist Concentration.
Meet at 12:00 by the monument to the international brigades @ Jubilee Gardens, Southbank.
Anarchist Federation London Group
Antifa
Nov 20 2007 22:09
#21
I'm seeing the need for us to continue to fight back. I'm in solidarity with the antifa in Spain, and hope that they can continue to struggle where it's needed. Too bad they didn't kill that Nazi scum. It's interesting that he was in the sevice, as it shows the further alignment of the state with the need to directly repress the working class with paramilitary orgs.
Thanks for the info, and please keep us posted.
Nov 21 2007 10:17
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wangwei wrote:
It's interesting that he was in the sevice, as it shows the further alignment of the state with the need to directly repress the working class with paramilitary orgs.
you what? 
Nov 21 2007 10:34
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wangwei wrote:
It's interesting that he was in the sevice, as it shows the further alignment of the state with the need to directly repress the working class with paramilitary orgs.
I dont think the nazi was working under directives from the Spanish State.
Nov 21 2007 12:38
#24
Plenty of spanish nazis during the 90s joined the army [and other police corps.] in early '00s. Many official are still francoist. Of course many have retired since Franco times, but the army has not been reformed. Many officers are at least right-wingers. And some bodies like La Legión, are clearly fascists or para-fascists. Entering in La Legion means that your crimes -no matter what you did- prescribe. I dont mean by this that ALL the army is an instrument in hands of fascists, but that there are fascists in the army.
One of the biggest problems of "antifa" movt. is the aesthetics. You're 15 and listen to punk bands saying "kill nazis" and you become "antifa" by wearing a determined clothing, and determined style... then you face a mad soldier, martial art expert, with a knife... you have no chance, and this guy will be out of prision in 4 or 5 years. Fascism should not be fought without any kind of preparation.
Nov 21 2007 15:01
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Salvoechea wroteOne of the biggest problems of "antifa" movt. is the aesthetics. You're 15 and listen to punk bands saying "kill nazis" and you become "antifa" by wearing a determined clothing, and determined style... then you face a mad soldier, martial art expert, with a knife... you have no chance, and this guy will be out of prision in 4 or 5 years. Fascism should not be fought without any kind of preparation.
I dont think this is indicative of all Antifa groups, it really depends where theyre based. I think in some places in Germany it may be the case that Antifa is more of a social scene than a militant anti-fascist group. I dont know how representative it is but theres that classic video on Youtube where theres 3 fash and 30 odd antifa on a bridge and the 30 odd kids look scared. In other areas it may be the case that "Antifa" is a banner for people who are more interested in kicking shop front windows. However there are other areas such as Czech Republic, Poland, Russia and UK where Antifa is more a more active deterent.
Nov 21 2007 15:33
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Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
However there are other areas such as Czech Republic, Poland, Russia and UK where Antifa is more a more active deterent.
I don't think you can seriously think antifa here is more militant than in germany can you?!
Nov 21 2007 16:16
#27
John. wrote:
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
However there are other areas such as Czech Republic, Poland, Russia and UK where Antifa is more a more active deterent.I don't think you can seriously think antifa here is more militant than in germany can you?!
no no no!
As well as having an incredibly militant core, in germany there is a very public, shouty marchy flag wavey kids scene side of things. Its generally impossible to say if the people behind the masks and banners are 15 year old Rancid fans or St Pauli casuals until they kick off.
I think what he is saying is that in the UK there is no kids element like that, if kids want to wear patches and go on a demo they can get involved with UAF.
Nov 21 2007 16:38
#28
Tacks wrote:
John. wrote:
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
However there are other areas such as Czech Republic, Poland, Russia and UK where Antifa is more a more active deterent.I don't think you can seriously think antifa here is more militant than in germany can you?!
no no no!
As well as having an incredibly militant core, in germany there is a very public, shouty marchy flag wavey kids scene side of things. Its generally impossible to say if the people behind the masks and banners are 15 year old Rancid fans or St Pauli casuals until they kick off.
I think what he is saying is that in the UK there is no kids element like that, if kids want to wear patches and go on a demo they can get involved with UAF.
Well sure but that's only because it's really unpopular, i think it's stretching it to try to present it as a strength.
Nov 21 2007 16:41
#29
i'm not!
jog on!
Nov 21 2007 16:54
#30
Tacks wrote:
i'm not!jog on!
I was talking to VAG you spanner!
shit