enrager.net is shutting down
Apr 5 2005 09:20
... but don't fret!
After a year and a half, a lot of changes and a massive increase in traffic, enrager.net is again being re-named and re-launched on Mayday, bigger and better than ever - as libcom.org, a libertarian community and organising resource for Britain.
We want you to help! Feedback, suggestions, ideas and offers to help improve the various sections are especially welcome.
libcom.org 
Apr 5 2005 09:56
#2
So do we all have to re-register on the boards then?
Apr 5 2005 10:00
#3
No, it ought to be a seamless changeover, and the current links will redirect to the new domain...as far as i know...
Apr 5 2005 10:02
#4
Nah it'll be a seamless change. The title's just for shock value really 
Apr 5 2005 10:04
#5
Lib com makes it sound like Charles Kennedy is running it.
A bloody stupid name.
Thumbs down.
Apr 5 2005 10:18
#6
John. wrote:
... so, whadda y'all think?
Crap
Apr 5 2005 10:22
#7
we fear change
Apr 5 2005 10:25
#8
pingtiao wrote:
we fear change
No just daft names.
Apr 5 2005 10:29
#9
enrager.net isn't daft?
libertarian communism is ace..sorry.."community"
Apr 5 2005 10:35
#10
So is it going to change to being specifically libertarian communist?
Apr 5 2005 10:36
#11
Why daft?
Apr 5 2005 10:38
#12
Steve wrote:
pingtiao wrote:
we fear changeNo just daft names.
Enrager.net is about the daftest name ever! Besides that, none of you wankers even pronounce it right! It's on-ra-jsh-eh not "en-rage-er" 
Apr 5 2005 10:39
#13
nastyned wrote:
So is it going to change to being specifically libertarian communist?
The listings will still be broadly libertarian, the other sections of the site will be smoothed out with a more coherent theory behind them. Forums will remain the same.
Apr 5 2005 10:59
#14
John. wrote:
The listings will still be broadly libertarian
What does that mean? 
Apr 5 2005 11:02
#15
That the group who run enrager will list organisations whose politics we disagree with as long as they fit various broad criteria (e.g. are libertarian etc)
Apr 5 2005 11:18
#16
Enrager may not have been the best name ever, but it is a country mile better than a name that can be confused with liberalism (as in The Guardian or Charles Kennedy variety) or libertarianism (as in the Thatcher variety)
Please think again.
Apr 5 2005 11:20
#17
Quote:
The listings will still be broadly libertarian, the other sections of the site will be smoothed out with a more coherent theory behind them.
i'm scared 
i like the name enrager anyway cause it sounds like people getting angry but only if its pronounced enrager not in some silly way which sounds like we are fetishising all things european. don't like libcom much which sounds bland and uninteresting but i don't suppose the world will end on mayday if enrager changes its name.
Apr 5 2005 11:22
#18
Libertarianism = comunismo libertario!
Capitalist bastards have stolen our good name.
Apr 5 2005 11:45
#19
nastyned wrote:
John. wrote:
The listings will still be broadly libertarianWhat does that mean?
That we'll list groups, places and events which fit the description "libertarian", basically meaning non-hierarchical working for radical social change
Apr 5 2005 11:47
#20
lucy82 wrote:
Quote:
The listings will still be broadly libertarian, the other sections of the site will be smoothed out with a more coherent theory behind them.i'm scared
Not scary - it's just if you look at them they're a bit all over the place at the mo...
i like the name enrager anyway cause it sounds like people getting angry but only if its pronounced enrager not in some silly way which sounds like we are fetishising all things european. don't like libcom much which sounds bland and uninteresting but i don't suppose the world will end on mayday if enrager changes its name.
Apr 5 2005 12:01
#21
I think it's terrible. A really terrible name, and I don't get why the change is necessary. If you're going to change everything at least change it to something cool.
Apr 5 2005 12:03
#22
Well the other option was
libertariancommunism.org
it's not too late yet....
Apr 5 2005 12:06
#23
I see fuckoffhippies.com is available as well.
Apr 5 2005 12:12
#24
And so the attempt to create a broad anti-authoritarian resource turns, with rather depressing inevitability, into another narrowly focused anarchist project 
Out go the PGA hallmarks (est 1998)
In comes 'libertarian communism' (est 1936)
Wot no consultation? Even blairites make an effort of appearing to take the views of the people affected into consideration.
Apr 5 2005 12:17
#25
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
And so the attempt to create a broad anti-authoritarian resource turns, with rather depressing inevitability, into another narrowly focused anarchist projectOut go the PGA hallmarks (est 1998)
In comes 'libertarian communism' (est 1936)
Wot no consultation? Even blairites make an effort of appearing to take the views of the people affected into consideration.
the pga hallmarks are still the guidelines for listings, and the rest is mostly cosmetic - I mean which bits from the site do you think will be lost in this change?
Apr 5 2005 12:20
#26
The aim of being a broad resource will be lost if enrager is specifically devoted to libertarian communism -- but 'tolerates' other stuff.
And the name is crap -- like most contractions. Compare 'polit-bureau' and 'state-cap'. It's toootally modernist and 20th century.
Apr 5 2005 12:22
#27
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
The aim of being a broad resource will be lost if enrager is specifically devoted to libertarian communism
Who said that?
Quote:
-- but 'tolerates' other stuff.
I repeat - what stuff that is good on the site d'you think won't be there??
Quote:
And the name is crap -- like most contractions. Compare 'polit-bureau' and 'state-cap'. It's toootally modernist and 20th century.
The name is ace - you'll all love it when it's done. You just don't like change. 
Apr 5 2005 12:27
#28
John. wrote:
The name is ace - you'll all love it when it's done. You just don't like change.
It's not ace John, it's really not 
Apr 5 2005 12:27
#29
Yes, we're all just knee-jerk and anti-change and we'll eventually come around
Didn't youse think about asking and consulting first? If the name and focus had been arrived at via a poll, etc I couldn't really complain.
'Libertarian' is used mostly by lefty anarchists -- even without the implied 'communism' (which is needed to distinguish it from right wing libertarianism) it's still not used by greens, etc.
I can see the reasons for changing, but I'm not happy that it's just been presented as a fait accompli.
Apr 5 2005 12:37
#30
As an admin these are just my own personal opinions on this, and my personal reason for strongly supporting the name change. The other admins are losers, and have less confrontational reasons, so direct abuse directly at me...
Put simply: I couldn't give a fuck about providing a resource to non-class struggle anarchists. In fact, given that I (as demonstrated many times on here) genuinely 100% believe they do more harm than good to building a better world, I really don't want to put in effort into providing something that basically, I don't politically agree with.
The collective who run and put most of the work into enrager at present are all (some variation of) libertarian communists. None of us believes in any of that shit about a 'broad church of anarchism' or that we should 'all work together'. To us, it's like how it feels when the SWP say you should work with them because 'we all want the same thing in the end'. We don't agree with this, so why the fuck should we be providing this?
... so, whadda y'all think?