Isn't veganism great, and why can't we all get along?

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Jan 4 2005 16:28

RB - cos it's way more macho

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Jan 4 2005 16:29

I bet Revol runs and hides in the closet whenever you put it on...hahah.

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Jan 4 2005 16:30
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aye and fuck off cos u used to be pro life, tho that was only cos Karl Crisis told you! grin

Is that true xConorx?? Not even like Earth Crisis are any good...

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Jan 4 2005 16:32

The idea of abortion makes me a little uncomfortable, but if I knew a girl who'd had/wanted an abortion I wouldn't judge her and I would offer her my support during that difficult time.

I'm not anti-abortion. Just saying it makes me uncomfortable..

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Jan 4 2005 16:34

Rollins doesn't really have politics much. He just got on with it, unlike that messianic emo nonsense.

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Jan 4 2005 16:34
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I was saying that if u argue that eating prawns or mussels is wrong on the basis of them living

i've never met anyone who did, otherwise vegans would only eat raw minerals from rocks, wouldn't we. anyway, i can't be arsed to argue further, as otherwise it will get too serious for gav... also, it's boring, unless we turn it into a cookery discussion, because cooking is awesome.

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Jan 4 2005 16:40

No it isn't it's time consuming and in my case creates 'food' which will burn through ceramic. And glass. And sometimes, cars.

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Jan 4 2005 16:43

so did your mate Joey used to be pro-life. anyway you know that shits long in the past...

I was vaguely pro-life for about 2 years and Revol )one of our first conversations , maybe 4 years ago?) will remember that it was more of a personal morality thing back then and I certainly didn't advocate any kind of absolutist thinking on the matter. however it would be funnier if he'd just said I was hardline or something equally rediculous.

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aye and my point still stands, if u oppose the eating of prawns on some abstract point aboit it being alive then u have to accept the consequences, and lets take this a step further what about all the wee sperm?

I hope that isn't aimed at me. You know my reasons for being vegan aren't out of some sentimental or moralistic shite. I don't really even like animals much, however my experience and knowledge leads me to think that they deserve some form of moral consideration due to their ability to experience pain and suffering. I don't I've ever said anything about my objecting to eating meat/dairy etc as being linked to them "being alive". A tree is alive, bu I don't bject to eating plants. The distinction is that plants don't have a CNS with which to feel pain, or any degree of intelligence with which to suffer grief from that pain.

Plus the shit about more efficient use of land. Plus simply the idea of eating some of that shite being a tad repellent. Plus I prefer to eat healthy and find that I have had much more energy and been much healthier in the five years I've been rockin fruit,veg,nuts etc exclusively. You know I'm hyper with my energy.

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Jan 4 2005 16:44
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
Wayne I think I'm in love with you.

Hands off you slag! angry

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Jan 4 2005 16:46
revol68 wrote:
no i fucking don't i just sit in the living room slagging it off, which always ends up causing the conversation morph into over excotable sXe twats discussing how amazing it would be if Henry Rollins showed up at our house and i started telling him what a "macho reactionary fuckwit he was".

dear god ou house is soo depressingly predictable.

then an asian girl will come on the TV and they'll start shouting about how i want to fuck her cos im an imperialist orientalist bastard! roll eyes

well then fuck off, did Revol ever tell any of youse how he went veggie to try and fit in with me and Phil but he still wasn't cool enough? True story.

Stop pretending you're above all this, it's a laugh, didn't you say once that you'd love to have been a errand boy on one of them spice ships?

PS it wuld be amazing if Freddy Madball and Rollins called round to borrow some tea bags.

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Jan 4 2005 16:48

I doubt Freddy Madball drinks tea.

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Jan 4 2005 16:48

Why don't meat eaters eat aborted foetuses?

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Jan 4 2005 16:52

Revol Grace says you're a lying cheat.

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Jan 4 2005 16:56
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
I doubt Freddy Madball drinks tea.

in my world he does, and he'll be dead polite and shit till Revol's starts mouthing off and Freddy is forced to slap him about a bit

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Jan 4 2005 17:06
revol68 wrote:
primmo fuck toy

eek

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Jan 4 2005 18:54

Revol said:

"I was saying that if u argue that eating prawns or mussels is wrong on the basis of them living then to remain consistent surely u would have to oppose the abortion of a living thing with considerably more developed faculties!"

And I'll repeat way to miss the point more spectacularly than whatever...

U knob! Read the part of my post regarding ability to live independently of the mother.

You know you really are doing some intellectual twisting on this one revol. What you claim is consistent just isn't. U've taken a position that you know if fucking bollocks but you just won't back down.

Everyone on here who knows you knows the signs.

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Jan 4 2005 18:57
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U knob! Read the part of my post regarding ability to live independently of the mother.

But revol can't survive independently of his mother, does that mean it's alright to abort him? eek

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Jan 4 2005 19:16

Around a jumbo jet's worth of people flushed down the sluice every week here in Scotland. A football stadium worth every year. All for the convenience of "empowered" women who got pregnant knowing full well that means having a child or killing one. In most cases, their carrers and figures are more important to them. I'm all in favour of abortion to save mum's life, but that makes up less than five percent of abortions.

Anyone who screams and shouts about the meat industry, then has an abortion when her life is not at risk, does not have a leg to stand on.

We farm animals for food. To eat. To live. This is nature's way.

We abort unborn children for convenience. To have things we wouldn't have without killing our progeny. Anyone who has an abortion for non life threatening reasons should be given a full hysterectomy. They are not fit to bring up a child. They murdered a child for selfish reasons. I wouldn't trust them with goldfish.

I eat meat. I respect the animals I eat, and value their contribution to my wellbeing. I never waste meat. I don't buy meat from intensive sources, and I NEVER kill something I have no intention of eating.

I've never shot a deer, just so I can fit into those jeans, or incase my partner will leave me if I don't. Or in order to improve my career.

If you have an unwanted pregnancy, I sympathise, but the time to do something about it has passed. If you are physically able to carry it to term, and choose to terminate, knowing that child could be adopted, you are killing a helpless member of your own species for convenience.

Selfish cowards like that should know they are despised by most reasoning adults.

If you could explain both concepsts to a near relative like chimpanzees. Prey species, or abortion on demand, which do you think would upset them most?

The abortion industry is huge. Much bigger than vivisection, which is what I'd compare it to.

The meat inbdustry is justifiable. Especially when animal husbandry, and welfare are practiced.

What justifies abortion on demand? Being a spoilt little girl? Not understanding the value of human life to humans? There is no justification. Just excuses.

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Jan 4 2005 19:24

Veganism isn't going to solve any of the problems these cute little animals have, because capitalism tends to favour the meat industry. So being vegan is therefore a completely moral decision right.

So then why do vegans insist on linking their politics to other campaigns and why do we have to eat fucking vegan ''cakes''.

I mean i'm veggie (a somewhat lax one these days), but i wouldn't expect everyone else to eat veggie around me. And if someone serves meat i will sometimes eat it to be polite.

And what the fuck is it with vegans pretending soya ''ice cream'' tastes of anything. What a load of rubbish it tastes like shite and isn't even comparable to proper ice cream.

john

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Jan 4 2005 19:27
nuclearcivvy wrote:

What justifies abortion on demand? Being a spoilt little girl? Not understanding the value of human life to humans? There is no justification. Just excuses.

Shut up you prick, you create more abortions by criminalising it anyway as if that mattered.

People should have the right to safe, legal and free abortion, no question, and if you don't like it then just fuck off, its not up for debate

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Jan 4 2005 19:29
nuclearcivvy wrote:
Anyone who has an abortion for non life threatening reasons should be given a full hysterectomy.

You're a fucking twat.

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Jan 4 2005 19:31

Right that's it. Bye bye fucko.

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Jan 4 2005 19:40

Ah, nuclearcivvy, don't you just love him? Don't ban him John. Just once can't we keep one of these nutters as a pet? I promise to feed him.

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Jan 4 2005 19:40

"Banned misogynist grassing god-bothering fuckwit"

Nicely done. Should have got rid of him after he told us about his special relationship with the police.

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Jan 4 2005 19:44
Thora wrote:
"Banned misogynist grassing god-bothering fuckwit"

Nicely done. Should have got rid of him after he told us about his special relationship with the police.

He was a scottish nationalist too - I remember Yrwenot3 was supporting him against wayne + revol for a while. Are they friends?

We all wanted to ban him but rkn the liberal wouldn't let us.

Oh and one last look at this everyone:

http://www.soggymoggy.demon.co.uk/jwp/maths.html

Twat roll eyes

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Jan 4 2005 20:15

IN YOUR FACE YOU FASCISTS!! twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted

John. - I deleted his posts, but had to leave this one up cos it's a fucking classic!!!

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Jan 4 2005 20:19
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Everything You know about me has been volunteered by me. I have no problem with people knowing what I think. You have had ample opportunity to persuade me otherwise, but so far, have failed on every count. You can't handle me. Fine.

You won't mind fucking off and bothering someone else then. Anarchism doesn't mean putting up with fuckwits roll eyes

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Jan 4 2005 20:24

Prick teeth. You got banned 'cos you're a dipfuck and an offensive bastard as well. There's nothing authoritarian about choosing to associate without the presence of a sick weirdo who spouts the most unpleasant not to mention insane cac. Imagine someone who had recently had an abortion coming on and reading that? Normally I think lunatics posts should be left for comedy value but that one's potentially hurtful enough that I think it should be removed.

At least it's finally fitting together... He's a nationalist... he wants to get involved in policing... he believes in god... and he's against abortion... he's Gerry Adams!

Wait for Gangster to offer critical support!

And nuclearcivvy, never mind knowing what your ideas are, I know who you fucking are. And you might be due a wee slap for that. Cunt.

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Jan 4 2005 20:39
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I'm shocked and appauled at your insensitivity. I used to be a feotus.

HAHAHAHAHA

Ta nuclearcivvy, that can be my new MSN display name.

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Jan 4 2005 23:15

And before I got revol to call feotuses parasites to!

Bollox. Yeah John, arguing that because a feotus can't support itself independently of the mother is tantamount to arguing that revol68 should be aborted. He shouldn't really, now nuclearcivvy, whether capable of surviving independently or not, is another matter.

You shoulda been fucked outta here long ago mate.

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