Predictions for the Anarchist Movement - 2005
Jan 5 2005 16:38
So what is going to happen to the weird and wonderful Uk anarchist movement in 2005?
How many people will be arrested at the G8 demonstration?
Will Class War realise their membership would actually increase by losing one member in particular?
Will fuck all happen all year until the Anarchist bookfair?
Will revol finally get laid?
Will Paul Rogers and Steve Booth kiss and make up and launch a new super-charged Green Anarchist mark 3?
Jan 5 2005 16:43
#2
Prediction -- There will continue to be no anarchist 'movement'. There will continue to be a sizable anarcho scene made up of all sorts of protestors, hippies, vegans and crypto-trots.
The G8 summit will provide a focus for organising protest-minded anarchists, and get a certain amount of media attention. Meanwhile the important chinage will be the increasing number of anarchists involved in grassroots community action.
Jan 5 2005 16:50
#3
My prediction is that Revol will be brought down a peg or two and shown for the charlatan that he is... by Angry Boy (yet to register) 
Jan 5 2005 16:50
#4
agree with lazio, what anarchist movement?
the G8 will be a nice chance to get out in the sun and indulge in some wayward and rather pointless protest that will briefly fill some with unfounded optimism.
And by this time next year the other side will be royally screwing us over as per usual.
Things to be optimistic about? Tony's heart may pack up.
Jan 5 2005 17:50
#5
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the G8 will be a nice chance to get out in the sun
what sun? it's in scotland!
Jan 5 2005 18:05
#6
Jan 5 2005 18:14
#7
Stuart Christie appointed election agent to George Galloway in his attempt to rest the Bethnal Green and Bow constituency from Oona King MP. Freedom launches a campaign to extradite him to Spain to serve the remaining years of his sentence for plotting to kill General Franco.
Revol68 injured in a punishment beating that he blames on INLA members financed by Australian Class War. Police investigations eventually reveal the shooting was financed by porn barons responding to the sale of his password for suicidegirls.com
The Anarchist Federation produce a 16 page tabloid newspaper, street sold across the UK
Anarch moves to the UK but returns to the USA within the week having actually met some British anarchists
Several Anarchist groups face financial crisis after AK Press unexpectedly pay their bills on time.
Thora is suspended from enrager.net for sexually harrasing revol68
The Anarchist bookfair is cancelled so as not to get in the way of community campaigning in each British city
Gangster has both hands amputated by angry members at the 2004 Class War conference. However in a story that demonstrates the triumph of the human spirit over adversity, he forms the Anarchist Raspberry Ripple Federation with Martin Wright.
Using his nose to type he produces a devestating critique of fox hunting that leads to the British working class taking the land back from its oppressers and reversing the Norman invasion of 1066.
Jan 5 2005 18:21
#8
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Jan 5 2005 18:24
#9
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Revol68 injured in a punishment beating that he blames on INLA members financed by Australian Class War. Police investigations eventually reveal the shooting was financed by porn barons responding to the sale of his password for suicidegirls.com
fucker, tho i did grudgingly snigger.
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Gangster has both hands amputated by angry members at the 2004 Class War conference. However in a story that demonstrates the triumph of the human spirit over adversity, he forms the Anarchist Raspberry Ripple Federation with Martin Wright.Using his nose to type he produces a devestating critique of fox hunting that leads to the British working class taking the land back from its oppressers and reversing the Norman invasion of 1066.
top form.
Jan 5 2005 18:25
#10
Nice one Paul
Jan 5 2005 18:29
#11
G8 will be either be really fun or really fucking awful. Either way, I'm sure it will shape my worldview greatly, most likely in one direction or another. Fuck everyone who lectures me on why I shouldn't go, the "abstraction of exploitation" argument, true as it is for many situations, fails to incorporate an argument against those who balance spending a week in Scotland against a whole year of community (and hopefully workplace) campaigning. I'm considering producing a pamphlet to take with me to warn against the dangers of summit-hopping though, although that involve me writing.
Jan 5 2005 21:04
#12
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
There will continue to be no anarchist 'movement'. There will continue to be a sizable anarcho scene made up of all sorts of protestors, hippies, vegans and crypto-trots.
Somebody once said that it is not a movement, but a 'stasis'.
The comment about the Anarchist Bookfair by Paul is also spot on.
I think that in the wider society there will be "more of the same only worse" as more and more civil liberties are removed, and people in general become more passive.
How the anarchists respond to this situation will follow the pattern that has been seen in the past. The comments about local community campaigning are right, I feel, but I also think we need something stronger, more determined and organisationally coherent.
Unfortunately, it is a character trait with anarchists that we are unable to build this sort of organisation. Some people call it the 'tyranny of structurelessness'. Part of it is laziness, partly immaturity and partly it is political corruption. I am not in the least hopeful that we will ever be able to address this, but I do know that unless we do, there will not be the social or political space for there to even be a so-called 'anarchist movement' in a few years time.
Does the anarchist 'movement' really deserve to survive?
We all really need to think long and hard about how we face up to this question of our own political extinction, comrades.
Jan 5 2005 21:25
#13
AYE AND FUCKWITS LIKE U HAVE DONE SO MUCH TO HELP THAT COHERENCY IN THE PAST! *cough*green anarchist*cough*
fuck off and die instead of running from hair brained theory to theory, aren't u now some sort of christian anarchist now?
i couldn't give a shit about the anarchist movement, im much more concerned about discussing issues with people with some sort of fucking clarity and then acting where it's useful and direct.
cag's stuff on simple lil things like bus station closures, organise's stuff around the water tax and other groups stuff around everyday issues are where the shits at, not fucking organising hunt sabs and dreaming up bigger and bettter protests to keep a bunch of activists busy enough so they don't have to bother thinking about the complete futility and incoherency of the activist ghetto!
at the same time as the everyday practical shit we should be developing our theory in a deeper and more coherent manner. That means no more watering it down for the sake of some false unity or group consensus. It means robust and passionate debate, not wanky calls to be be nice "cos u know we are all in this together",it means distancing ourselves from the lumpen fucktards who put out stuff like green anarchy, profane existance, the fifth estate, and the various bollox put out by poseurs like the WOMBLES. In the case of us anarchists in ireland it means consistently arguing against muddled national liberationist analysis's of the north. In short, it means not being afraid to piss people of cos u might bump into them at some fucking action outside Tesco's on a saturday!
there is a place for rejecting ideoloigcal purity, strike solidarity and community campaigns, but this should not stop us for striving for better analysis and it certainly shouldn't stop us from criticising shite politics!
Jan 5 2005 22:36
#14
aye and i've just visited that website bluegreenshite or whatever the fuck it is and found this wee article ny u.....
http://www.bluegreenearth.us/archive/article/2004/booth-3-2004.html
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A practical campaignHow would an anarchist campaign to abolish unemployment benefit and social security shape up? Think how such a campaign would be framed. On the one hand there would be the publicity campaigns to persuade taxpayers of the advantages of this. Then there would be the lobbying to persuade the political parties to adopt this as a policy. On the other hand there would be the work necessary to create the organisations and voluntary sector support needed to provide the socially useful work. It could be tied in with urban regeneration, attacking poverty and sickness, or clearing up our environment. But the emphasis would be on people taking responsibility for their own world.
is this what u think will bring forward the revolution? is this what how u feel anarchists could make themselves relevant to the working class?
I really hope for the sake of ur sanity that ur a state asset Steve!
Jan 5 2005 22:53
#15
So REVOLT68, tell how posting on enrager 1,114 times brings you closer in realising this revolution?
By the way, I like how you slag of WOMBLES for being a poseurs but don't offer any critique.
Jan 5 2005 22:54
#16
revol68 wrote:
It means robust and passionate debate, not wanky calls to be be nice "cos u know we are all in this together",it means distancing ourselves from the lumpen fucktards who put out stuff like green anarchy, profane existance, the fifth estate, and the various bollox put out by poseurs like the WOMBLES.
The WOMBLES are awesome, because it means the majority of London anarchists we need to distance ourselves from clearly mark themselves out as such.
Still, you have to admire the genius of taking on the most highly organised instrument of class control concieved thus far in history, by putting a fucking sofa cushion down your pants. THAT'S a good basis to form a group on.
Cunts.
Jan 5 2005 22:56
#17
raw wrote:
By the way, I like how you slag of WOMBLES for being a poseurs but don't offer any critique.
In meetings, you (or you certainly used to) make people NOT ONLY turn their phones off, but also take the fucking batteries out incase the state turn them on by remote control.
All the critique you need, really.
Jan 5 2005 22:58
#18
its revol68 dickhead, not revolt68!
and the reason the wombles are poseurs is cos they running around like fucking activist twats, jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon with absolutely no fucking coherency.
and why woud i need to offer a critique when ur own shitty posters do that for me!
if anyone could find a means of putting that one from the Freedom bookshop up it would be of great illsutrative value!
apparently humanity is always grateful for a bunch of pretentious fuckwits who write sentences that appear to have been put thru an Italian online translator and then back into english!
Jan 5 2005 23:00
#19
WOMBLES poster in Freedom wrote:
"For struggling for a better world all of us are fenced in, threatened with death. The fence is reproduced globally. In every continent, every city. every countryside, every house. Power's fence of war closes in on the rebels, for whom humanity is always grateful. But fences are broken. The rebels, whom history repeatedly has given the length of it's long trajectory, struggle and the fence is broken. The rebels search each other out. They walk toward one another. They find each other, and together break other fences - RESISTANCE IS EXISTENCE."
Jan 5 2005 23:01
#20
Hi Jack,
Fact 1: I doubt you can call us cunts to our face, so please bask in this alienated and anonymous way of communcating - after all it is much safer
Fact 2: Again what critique are you offering?
You may disagree with our tactics (I think your refering to Mayday 2001 - 4 fucking years ago!!). It also shows your lack of knowledge on what people involved in WOMBLES do. Again it is much safer behind the comfort of your computer screen.
Jan 5 2005 23:03
#21
as for my 1000 posts wll its quite easy really, i don't post on anyother forums.
and i certainly think posting on enrager inbetween perving on the suicide girls is of much more use to the cause of proletarian liberation than the fucking WOMBLES. I mean atleast i don't invite people into my house to watch me wank out alot of ole spunk, and i certainly don't try and dress up my masturbation habits in the clothes of reformed italian stalinists!
Jan 5 2005 23:06
#22
Quote from Jack:
"In meetings, you (or you certainly used to) make people NOT ONLY turn their phones off, but also take the fucking batteries out incase the state turn them on by remote control. "
Oooh, is that the best you can do??!! And yes the police can use mobile phones as listening devices even if switched off. And living in such an authoritarian and well mantained state like the UK I think it is fucking vital people address there groups security from time to time.
p.s. Revolt68 see my reply to jack
Jan 5 2005 23:10
#23
1,116 and counting
Jan 5 2005 23:15
#24
raw, face it the WOMBLES can't be critiqued in any real sense cos they lack the coherency to make such a thing possible.
It is however possible to critique how it is rooted in an activist framework and deliberately embraces stuntist and irrational actions.
Just keep believing that its about getting more and more people to take part in stupid symbolic actions and that way u can feel good about urself!
i have a 1000 plus posts but they have more revolutionary potential than a 1000 womble's actions!
Jan 5 2005 23:16
#25
Dearest raw,
1. No, they can't listen on phones. Probably not when they're turned on, definatly not when they're off.
2. Awesome, are you threatening me?
Jan 5 2005 23:32
#26
870 times Jack but not as revolutionary as Revolt68 1,117 and still counting.
I predict by the time you get to 20,000 posts on enrager then revolution will come about.
p.s. Revolt68 and Jack which groups are YOU involved in if any?
Jan 5 2005 23:33
#27
I think that there is an unfair stereotype of the wombles being presented here, one that it is convenient to make for the sake of characterising a group of people as enemies, but one that doesn't entirely correspond with reality.
I supported a Wombles action a few months ago,as did another AFer, where they had made links with the Laing O'Rourke building workers and occupied a crane on their behalf. In what way is this purely spectacular? It brought the struggles on the site to a ider audience, and probably reinforced the hand of the workers in their negotiations with the bosses.
Now, the Wombles clearly have a much less formally organised structure, and I suppose an attendant lack of political coherence when compared with the federations, but they arepunching above their weight- the small number of activists involved doa hell of a lot (although my impression is that they don't work).
Their prop might be a bit wanky- but then practically all prop i've seen is shit at theminute- unimaginative, dull photocopies or crap stickers.
If most criticisms are of activist shit they did years ago, then perhaps their more recent activity should be taken into account. Does it illustrate a change of political direction? Should this be welcomed, or should they be continually pillioried for things they did in the past?
Jan 5 2005 23:38
#28
I think this says it all. From about 2 months ago, not "years" ago.
raw wrote:
Well most people in WOMBLES don't work, and hopefully will never work! We're a mixture of precarious, unemployed, unemployable, dole scum that knows that hardwork for any rich bastard is shit (we don't have to read theory books for that). That perhaps why we have so much time to organise the OCCUPIED SOCIAL CENTRE or DUBLIN MAYDAY or BEYOND ESF.And yes, unfortunately too many people work and we should try and get people out of work, resisting the work mentality like some of the fucking anarchists in London who I haven't seen for 2 years (due to work commitments!). Com on for fuck sake, it's the year 2004, unless we throw ourselves into creating/facilitating/aiding a movement against the capitalist project then why the fuck call ourselves anarchists!
Jan 5 2005 23:43
#29
Well, yes, that is very lifestylist
Jan 5 2005 23:45
#30
pingtiao im quite dissapointed in you, i mean "objectively" ur support for the wombles is no better than defending paedophiles, or so redyred has informed me.
10-20
Yes on the forums!
He did the other day actually
Er, nah