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WeTheYouth
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Nov 19 2005 20:49
BSF - Launch Meeting

What dates would people like to set for the SF launch meeting possibly in the new year.

Vaneigemappreci...
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Nov 20 2005 22:17

really no preference mate, providing its not in the immediate days after new years doesnt really matter

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Nov 20 2005 22:39

after the 12th of january if you want me to be there...

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Nov 20 2005 23:59

probably best to do it after the 12th, cos then 3 people will turn up, as opposed to just 2! wink grin

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Nov 21 2005 11:53

why are you helping us outnumber the af members in birmingham? tongue

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Nov 21 2005 20:47

oh, and preferebly not a monday or wednesday as i'll be in training to kick gawkrodgers scrawny ass wink

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Nov 22 2005 15:49

27th january ok?

Actually it will be more like 5 Brum SF'ers. As well as Northhamptons lot, and hopefully some comrades from elsewhere.

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Nov 22 2005 16:45

5? The city is practically under workers syndicates soon grin

Well done folks with the new local. All the best with it and hope it proves to be useful!

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Nov 22 2005 16:58
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5? The city is practically under workers syndicates soon grin

Well done folks with the new local. All the best with it and hope it proves to be useful!

Thanks, your more than welcome to come down, the revolution is planned for march, we want to take febuary to rest up before the general strike.

Also we need to get affiliated, were not officially a Solfed group yet!

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Nov 26 2005 16:29

is this a new group or just an offshoot of WMA containing the people who have sol fed leanings

wink tongue

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Nov 28 2005 11:36
Kidda wrote:
is this a new group or just an offshoot of WMA containing the people who have sol fed leanings

wink tongue

This is a seperatist revolutionary group away from the wishy washyness of WMA!

black bloc

It is its own group, but the majority are WMA members but not all.

Kidda
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Nov 28 2005 15:18

the wishy washyness can only be changed by those active innit

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Nov 28 2005 21:22

GOOD LUCK

Hope the launch goes well.

Have you got a campaign or other activity to get on with? This usually helps you not to run out of momemtum after the first few months. black bloc

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Nov 28 2005 23:57

they're campaigning amongst themselves to become just 25% as revolutionary and hard as the AFers in the area. It will certinaly be a hard fight! wink

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Nov 29 2005 14:52
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the wishy washyness can only be changed by those active innit

Yeah, thats why we sent you to manchester tongue

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they're campaigning amongst themselves to become just 25% as revolutionary and hard as the AFers in the area. It will certinaly be a hard fight!

The competion would be stiff, one sk8er boi twisted . Easily a walkover, it is going to be like Hulk Hogan (sf) vs pee wee(AF)...no contest.

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Nov 29 2005 18:08

i'm unfortunetly currently in hospital with split sides!

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Dec 12 2005 19:54

Just been reading an article off Anarkismo regarding the Gate Gourmet solidarity strikes and it says that the union involved (sorry the name elludes me at the mo embarrassed ) could be sued by BA as solidarity strikes are actually illegal eek . Now of course because something is criminalised by the stae it doesnt mean that that law should be adhered to, but what would this mean for the funds of Solfed with regards the prevalence of the solidarity strike as part of the weaponary of the working class?

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Dec 13 2005 13:50

I think when SF grow to a size to initiate unions then the state would use it against us and probably the funds would be hit hard. I think we will have to see how the BA claim goes to see what precedent is set by the ruling.

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Dec 13 2005 16:54

It was the T&G. I'm pretty sure they never officially supported the solidarity strikes though, unlike SolFed or any other a-s union, which obviously would. I think we'd have to keep our funds somewhere the state couldn't find them, which would obviously be hard. The way we need to look at the anti-union laws IMO is as laws which effectively make trade unionism illegal - of course unions can exist in name but they're not actually allowed to do anything that will work - solidarity strikes, secondary picketing, taking industrial action without going through lengthy state-sanctioned approval procedures and giving the employer appropriate notice etc. really are necessary to win disputes, and are all currently illegal. We should take our inspiration from the history of early unionism in periods when unions were illegal and had to operate entirely unofficially, also later periods when they had things like 'criminal syndicalism' laws for use against the IWW, and they had to rely more on workplace militancy than on large supplies of funding and keeping what funds they had well hidden (not that we have to start doing this yet). i think during the miners' strike they had to hide money from the state as well. red n black star

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Dec 13 2005 18:57

have you got a list of anti-union legislation magnifico? It would come in use for a pamphlet if we could get a list of all the official legislation thats been promulgated to deter working class organisation through unions.

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The 1980 Employment Act

Abolished trade union recognition rights and restricted picket line numbers to only six.

Made solidarity action illegal.

Severely restricted the closed shop, which now had to be approved by 85% of the workforce.

The 1982 Employment Act

Introduced an extremely limited notion of a ‘trade dispute’ which when coupled with the 1980 Act, outlawed most forms of solidarity action including international solidarity with workers who are employed by the same multinational companies - one of many precursors to the rapid progress of globalised capital that we are witness to today.

Limited the definition of a legal strike whereby workers could only take action against their immediate employer. A strike had to be wholly related to pay and conditions, dismissals, redundancies, sackings, disciplinaries or union membership. Workers could not strike for political reasons.

Made trade unions legally liable to pay disabling damages from strikes. Fines of up to £250,000 could be charged. If fines were not paid, the union’s entire funds could be sequestrated.

The 1984 Trade Union Act

Made it illegal to strike without a ballot and ordered unions to instruct their members that they are breaking their contract of employment if they vote in favour of strike action.

Imposed on unions a ten-yearly ballot to decide whether to have a political fund ie. whether union money could be spent on political campaigning and affiliation

The 1988 Employment Act

Imposed postal ballots - as against workplace or branch meetings - to decide on union executive elections or decisions on political funds (even though workplace ballots get a higher rate of participation).

Made it illegal for unions to expel or discipline members who refuse to participate in industrial action after a legal ballot.

The 1989 Employment Act

Restricted time off for trade union reps.

Introduced a pre-hearing assessment for industrial tribunals to scrutinise the validity of any applicant’s case.

The 1990 Employment Act

Made pre-entry closed shops illegal, resulting in a gradual erosion of trade union membership.

Held trade unions financially responsible for walk-outs and unofficial action unless they publicly disowned a dispute.

Allowed the sacking of stewards and key union members involved in unofficial action.

Made all secondary action illegal.

The 1993 Employment Act

Introduced a minimum six-week delay between the decision to ballot and the date of any industrial action.

Required that members give written confirmation that they want their union dues automatically deducted from their wage packets.

Gave people the right to sue unions if industrial action ‘damages’ them.

Abolished wages councils which previously had afforded some protection to workers in some sectors.

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Dec 15 2005 23:41

historically, the cnt had hardly any funds, and certainly not for strike pay as a) it would make them vulnerable to attack, b) people were too poor to afford enough for a strike fund to be effective and c) it forced strikes to be more militant.

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Dec 20 2005 15:21

27th January yay or nay?

Kidda
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Dec 20 2005 22:30
WeTheYouth wrote:
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the wishy washyness can only be changed by those active innit

Yeah, thats why we sent you to manchester tongue

Its well militant up in manc

2 steps from the revolution we are up there

all thats left to decide is which pub we'll start and finish it in and if lucy82's bringing the alba soundsystem

8) tongue

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Dec 20 2005 22:34
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WeTheYouth wrote:
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the wishy washyness can only be changed by those active innit

Yeah, thats why we sent you to manchester tongue

Its well militant up in manc

2 steps from the revolution we are up there

all thats left to decide is which pub we'll start and finish it in and if lucy82's bringing the alba soundsystem

8) tongue

Yeah right dont get mesmerised by those northern lot, remember your a WMA militant abroad! Mr. T

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Jan 12 2006 12:56

Can people send me what they want on teh agenda for the meeting please.

WeTheYouth
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Jan 20 2006 12:09

I wont be attending i am moving into my flat with the mrs.

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Jan 23 2006 17:08

yeah, i say we postpone it til the following week, cos i've realised i need to go home this weekend so i can't come either.

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Jan 23 2006 20:18

As GTs pulling a sickie i second postponing the meeting till the following week, going ahead without two such influential comrades would be folly wink and embaressing!

does this mean your going to miss the WMA meeting too lads?

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Jan 23 2006 23:04
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I wont be attending i am moving into my flat with the mrs.

love and marriage.....love and marriage....da da da dala dala ...horse and carriage

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what date is the meeting, im back in brum end of jan/early feb for a couple of days

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Jan 24 2006 18:43

this friday, 27th