Class in Britain Channel 4 Sunday 10pm
Jul 9 2005 18:18
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/C/class_in_britain/
Don't know if this has been put up already. Could be interesting. 
Jul 9 2005 22:10
#2
you've got a video recorder 
fuckin snob ira
Jul 10 2005 12:45
#3
Ira Hayes wrote:
I shall record it to see what the working-classes are like. Thanks! :)
oi IRA HAYES what the fuck is up with your name? If your a fucking republican you should just fuck off.
Why the fuck isn't this cunt banned?
Why not call yourself Sean Kelly instead, the brave anti imperialist who bombed a chippie on a busy friday afternoon. 
Jul 10 2005 12:51
#4
Maybe they are just a johnny cash fan.
Jul 10 2005 14:57
#5
revol68 wrote:
Ira Hayes wrote:
I shall record it to see what the working-classes are like. Thanks! :)oi IRA HAYES what the fuck is up with your name? If your a fucking republican you should just fuck off.
Why the fuck isn't this cunt banned?
Why not call yourself Sean Kelly instead, the brave anti imperialist who bombed a chippie on a busy friday afternoon.
i think your a bit too obsessed with the minutae of irish history for my liking
Jul 10 2005 15:13
#6
revol68 wrote:
Why the fuck isn't this cunt banned?
was has he/she done to deserve being banned?
Jul 10 2005 15:18
#7
I await an apology from our Orange friend....
Jul 10 2005 16:15
#8
Y'know revol Ira is a real name despite how distateful it is to yer wee ears mate.
But Ira you expect an apology and call revol your 'Orange friend' - not really a good way to get an apology is it? I want you to say sorry but heres an insult for ye for good measure
And cantdo the outburst about the name was bollox but if someone chosing to remember that Sean Kelly bombed a chippie on a busy Friday afternoon is being obsessed with the minutae of irish history I really don't fuckin' know. Would you like to repeat that sentiment to the working class families who lost relatives in that bombing?
As for minutae - revol it wasn't a fucking chippie it was a fish shop.
Jul 10 2005 16:25
#9
are you surprised he gives an insult back, revol attacks a new member of the boards,an attack based on nothing said poster had said or done, littering his posts with fuck & cunt & ban and everyone else expects the transgressed to respond in a perfectly civil manner?
why does revol swear so much in his posts/insults anyway?
does he think that's what "the class" does so he'd better too?
does it make him feel like a big hard man?
is it a subsitute for his impotence elsewhere in his "activism"
does it impress anyone?
Jul 10 2005 16:27
#10
No not really. "Transgressed" is a bit much though really oisleep.
Ask revol, but he probably won't tell anyone. Maybe he's using us all as therapy for burn out?
Jul 10 2005 16:40
#11
I take it Wee Jahnny's the forum's pet tourettes sufferer? I would have thought being called 'Orangeman' would be un grand honeur for someone like him.
Jul 10 2005 16:58
#12
What, cos he suffers from tourettes?
Jul 10 2005 17:10
#13
Yeah, if you want.
Jul 10 2005 17:30
#14
He was probably making a joke. No doubt, he'll come back and call you all humourless eejits or something (there I go again stereotyping the Irish, eh revol?).
Jul 10 2005 17:33
#15
He heh....'Irish'....he'll love that...
Jul 10 2005 22:14
#16
I just googled Ira Hayes. Seems he was a Native American Indian, so cool it revol.
Jul 10 2005 22:22
#17
A drunken one at that. According to the song.
Jul 11 2005 09:54
#18
revol68 wrote:
Why not call yourself Sean Kelly instead, the brave anti imperialist who bombed a chippie on a busy friday afternoon.
it was a saturday, just to be pedantic
Jul 11 2005 10:04
#19
okay so i might have jumped the gun abit but i thought it was a reference to that Red Action/ AFA/IRA fuck face Patrick Hayes who planted a bomb at harrods, and on a train (and was linked to numerous other bombings in london).
apologies if you just meant the native amaerican flag raiser. 
Jul 11 2005 10:08
#20
Wow - a whole thread without a single on-topic post. 
I thought the TV programme was shite, btw.
Jul 11 2005 10:11
#21
yeah the tv show was fucking woeful, i love how his gran was his major acadmeic source.
essentially he was saying "all these middle class media types assume so much about working class peoples experiances and desires, well they're wrong this is what they really want, just ask my gran"
funny how for a writer upset that the middle class always speak for the working class that he didn't interview one working class person, nor even define the term.
absolute shite, and gav and john told me it was suppoused to be good.
Jul 11 2005 10:13
#22
Yea, but they also think noncing is good.
Or so I hear.
Jul 11 2005 10:15
#23
Yeah, it was like all the fucking woeful discussions we get about class on here, all rolled into one.
Quote:
"My dad's an accountant, but his dad was a trapeze artist, and my mum's an aristocrat, but her grandparents had to flee the Red Terror in 1919, so that makes her an immigrant, and I went to a state school, but it was in a really posh area, and I did a degree, but now I have a really shit job, so what class am I?"
..... or something.
Jul 11 2005 11:40
#24
the button wrote:
Wow - a whole thread without a single on-topic post.I thought the TV programme was shite, btw.
Slams desk repeatedly in aggreement!
Jul 11 2005 17:36
#25
revol68 wrote:
absolute shite, and gav and john told me it was suppoused to be good.
No I never!
Jul 11 2005 18:25
#26
I have documentary makers book, but have not read it yet.
I think there are so few programmes like this on, that it did serve some purpose, however flawed. He raised the problem of multi-culturalism, and made the reasonable historical point that the middle/upper classes no longer look at the working class in a sociological/paternal way - now the people to be cuddled and patronised are from ethnic minorities!
Masses of stuff was left out - people have cited that the programme did not make any attempt to either define class, or to speak to people who do/do not consider themselves to be working class. Still, Michael Collins's dear old gran would be proud of him!
There has been some material come out in recent years (via the Public Records Office) suggesting that slum clearance in Glasgow was deliberately carried out to break what were seen as areas with too much class solidarity, and too inclined to socialism. Collins covered slum clearance and the destruction of community, but never mentioned this aspect as a reason at all. The social engineering aspect is deserving of more research.
Finally, whilst I am sympathetic to many of the points he made about Thatcherism, he did not even flag up the fact that it provoked working class resistance on a scale unprecedented in British history - from the inner-city riots of the 80s, to the miners strike to the campaign against the poll tax. Thatcherism struck chords with sections of ther working class, but it also provoked other sections into rediscovering themselves as a class/community/union etc.
Britain was very polarised in that period, yet we were told next to nothing about how the working class in Southwark (or anywhere else) responded to all this.
I shall record it to see what the working-classes are like. Thanks!