God help the anarchist movement that needs heroes!

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Book Review by Brian Bamford:

GOD HELP THE ANARCHIST MOVEMENT

THAT NEEDS HEROES.

‘Granny made me an Anarchist: General Franco,

the Angry Brigade and me’ by Stuart Christie.

Published by Scribner price £10.99.

I ought to declare a special interest here in that I and my then wife, were involved with the same Spanish anarchist group as Mr Christie - the Iberian Federation of Libertarian Youth (F.I.J.L) - between February 1963 and February 1967. Hitherto, I haven’t written about our experience of the Christie affair, except to criticise a few exaggerated claims by Mr Christie in his earlier autobiography ‘The Christie File’ (1980), during my report from Gibraltar on the SAS shootings there in 1988 of the IRA terrorists. Our job in Spain for the F.I.J.L. had nothing to do with arms or explosives, but was about gathering information and propaganda about Spanish society, reinforcing links with sympathetic contacts and reporting back to our F.I.J.L. contact—code name ‘Johnny’ (Salvador Gurucharri) in Paris.

Mr Christie, now 58, has already written three autobiographies. I have now read two of them, but not the very expensive 3-volume version. What would Mr Christie have to do to make his autobiography worth reading? Can an autobiography of this kind be justified? Some English northern anarchists like Derek Pattison have argued that ‘Stuart has been trading on this for the last 40 years’, but Carlos Beltran, a CGT anarcho-syndicalist in Madrid, told me Christie’s account may shed light on an interesting era in Spanish history: the 1960s.

To be any good Mr Christie’s account would have to describe his experiences clearly and honestly, he would need to give an idea of his motives and even reveal something disgraceful about himself. This last test is vitally important since, as Orwell wrote somewhere: ‘A man who gives a good account of himself is probably lying, since any life when viewed from the inside is simply a series of defeats.’

Stuart’s account of prison life in both Spain, where he did over 3 years in Carabanchel and England where he was on remand for over a year in Brixton, matches my own experience in both cases. He writes of his experiences in Brixton saying his English friends thought ‘that the Spanish prisons would be much worse (than the English prisons), but it is a sad commentary on English liberalism that this just wasn’t true.’ Not only was the food worse in English gaols, but ‘Spanish jails in Franco’s time were run along on much more humane lines inasmuch as there was some degree of choice involved.’ In Spain, he writes: ‘You could work and earn more, or....not work and scrape by if you were prepared to do without things like f*gs and Serrano ham sandwiches.’ Thus, in Spain, ‘You could have money sent in...and spend it in...the prison restaurant...responsibility for the individual’s quality of life in prison became his own, that of his comrades or his family.’

Thus in Spanish gaols money could be sent in from outside and then spent by the prisoner in the prison canteen or other items. When, in the summer of 1963, I was detained in a dungeon in a village in the province of Segovia, the Guardia Civil offered to take me to the village bar to pay for my own meal. Of course, Stuart writes of this money in Spanish gaols that ‘its circulation in jail leads to corruption, but it is also the one thing that eases tyranny.’ He claims that: ‘Corruption exists in English jails - albeit fitfully’, but that: ‘In Spain it was built into the system.’ In fact, in English jails in the absence of money; f*gs became the currency of corruption and the tobacco barons ruled in Strangeways, Manchester even in the 1970s when I was in there.

BOYS' OWN ROMANTICISM.

As to his motives for going to Spain in the 1960s, I can see him grappling with the tedious constituency politics of the Labour League of Youth in Glasgow. He writes: ‘I technically became an anarchist one Saturday afternoon in the summer of 1963 outside Glasgow’s Mitchell Library, tearing up my Labour Party card after an exhilarating conversation with Bobby Lynn and Ronnie Alexander...secretary of the newly formed Glasgow Federation of Anarchists.’

He lost his job as an apprentice dental technician in 1963. As there had already been ‘in 1959 (actually May1960) a strike of Glasgow engineering apprentices’, Stuart claims: ‘...the employers were nervous of signs of activism’ - they didn’t want a repeat performance of the snowball strikes of the engineering apprentices which spread across the country. For another national strike of engineering apprentices we had to wait until November 1964. By that time, while we in the Manchester Apprentices’ Wages and Conditions Campaign on the picket line or selling our new libertarian apprentice paper Industrial Youth, Stuart Christie was in a Spanish gaol.

Stuart hadn’t much time or patience for the trade unions or Trade Council in Glasgow: he writes: ‘this was another political mirage: the shop steward worked with management in much the same way as the union leaders had been co-opted into the state.’ This is the view of an impetuous young man and one which in Stuarts’ case could only lead to catastrophe. It was not the view of one of his Spanish mentors - Salvador Gurucharri - who in February 1963 told me he thought the English anarchists should permeate the trade unions in much the same way as the Spanish anarchists had in Spain.

The aloofness of Stuart Christie seems to betray a certain distaste for the ordinary and everyday affairs of men and women, and suggest a love of the exotic and extraordinary - the peculiar and even the downright perverse. The arduous everyday affairs of the shop steward and trade union would be forever much too humdrum. Melodrama would be much more to Mr Christie’s taste.

He talks freely of the ‘class struggle’ and claims that when in 1972, he appeared before an English jury at the Old Bailey in the Angry Brigade trial, the jury ‘had seen (in Christie) an average working-class guy, who worked long hours with very ordinary working-class mates...’ There is no denying Mr Christie has charm, indeed he recently appeared on the Ned Sherrin chat show ‘Loose Ends’ on Radio 4 promoting his book and one can well imagine enjoying a drop of Glenmorangie with him. But his book betrays on almost every page his love of the glamorous and the exotic. Just as in Paris in August 1964, he told us of his passion for Robbie Burns and the Bonnett Gang (French bank robbers), so in later life it became ‘Sabate: Guerrilla Extraordinary’.

STUART'S GRANNY HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR!

So it was in August1964, at the tender age of 18, he came to conclude: ‘The (Spanish) civil war was still going on...’ and ‘we needed new volunteers to...hopefully, change the world. That was my mission. Something had to be done and no one else was doing it so it was down to me. As my Granny used to say: “If you want something doing, do it yourself”.’

In his chapter ‘A Rebel with a Cause’, Mr Christie writes: ‘I was no Hamlet.’ He stoutly declares: ‘My authority was my conscience and the ghosts of countless victims of Francoism since 1936.’ Concluding that ‘Wrongdoers had to be held to account....’ and saying ‘I had an obligation to intervene...It was a just war...against a clearly defined enemy - the last of the Axis regimes.’

In the end it became not like Hamlet, but more like Shakespeare’s ‘The Comedy of Errors’:

‘Teach me, dear creature, how to think and speak;

Lay open my earthly great conceit,

Smother’d in errors, feeble, shallow, weak,

The folded meaning of your worlds’ deceit.’

For evidence of Mr Christie’s ‘earthly great conceit’ we need only refer to his own earlier account ‘The Christie File’ (1980), in it Stuart writes: ‘I was inveigled into appearing on what later turned out to be a disastrous chat show, show—Let Me Speak, chaired by Malcolm Muggeridge...’ Naturally, Muggeridge being a brilliant interviewer, asked Stuart, billed as a revolutionary anarchist’, the obvious question: ‘Would (he), for instance, assassinate Franco if (he) had the chance?’ To which Stuart writes: ‘What could I say but yes?’

Talk about ‘Three sheets to the wind’! What kind of a gormless morning would put himself in that position? A revolutionary, one would have thought, should keep his head down and his trap shut, not go on TV before going on a mission. But Mr Christie tells us ‘my veins were pumping pure adrenaline’ as he watched the white cliffs of Dover disappear in the distance on boat to France, and the first step to his ultimate destination of General Franco’s Carabanchel gaol in Madrid.

(If you think I’m being harsh here, consider Dear Anarchist what we are being asked to believe. We are being asked to believe that a man, or rather a boy, who flunked a gentle question about his intentions from the sympathetic Englishman Malcolm Muggeridge in July 1964, would in August 1964 withstand all the days of interrogation that Comisario, Don Saturnino Yague and the Brigada Politico Social team threw at him in the Seguridad office of the Spanish Interior Ministry in Madrid. We laugh when the Marxists and others believe in Fairy Tales, but when it suits us some anarchists seem willing to swallow them too.) NORTHERN VOICES

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Re: book reviews

« Reply #4 on Feb 20, 2005, 7:44pm »

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The review above 'God Help the Anarchist Movement that needs Heroes' is a shorterned version of a much more extensive booklet published this month by the journal 'NORTHERN VOICES'. It was published for the highly successful Newcastle Projectile Anarchist Festival 11-13 February 2005 and is priced at 1.40 (post free) from 63a, Armdale Road, Dukinfield, Cheshire

SK16 5AG - cheques payable to 'Northern Voices'.

The original review: 'My meditations on Mr Christie, his Granny and our Spanish adventures by Brian Bamford (anti-Franco activist: 1963 to 1967)' is 16 pages long. 'Northern Voices' has published this account in response to Mr Christie because we believe it is vital that the people in this country gain a complete view of the anglo-spanish historical events that occurred in Spain in the 1960s.

At the time Brian Bamford's account was published just over a week ago, Mr Christie and Mr Bamford discussed the incidents that both of them took part in at an open Forum at The Side Cinema in Newcastle on Friday 11th, February. Since then Mr Christie has claimed that many of the criticisms made by Bamford have been tackled in Mr Christie's own limited edition 3-volume autobiography priced just over £100. Mr Christie also says he had little or no control over either the English or Spanish commercial versions.

Unfortunately, it is likely that it will be the cheaper commercial versions of the autobiographies in both languages that are going to be the most influential. In this respect 'Northern Voices' feels justified in raising the issues we have, because in this way we hope the there will be a wider public understanding both in this country and Spain of what went on during the Franco era in the 1960s.

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Since then Mr Christie has claimed that many of the criticisms made by Bamford have been tackled in Mr Christie's own limited edition 3-volume autobiography priced just over £100.

eek

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I like the way you imply that he chose to make the autobiography cost loads, rather than it being due to a small print run, small publisher and heavy illustrations.

And be fair. It's 3 separate books. Each of which cost £35. Doesn't sound as bad as making it sound 1 3 part book for over £100.

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i just quoted the text Jack, £100 is a £100 whatever way you want to dress it up

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I was refering to the text, not you.

And did YOU try and kill Franco when you were 18? No?

Then shut the hell up.

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pull yourself out your arsehole jack

so i am not allowed to comment on what i see as frankly an obscene price of a book, how the fuck are ideas and history meant to get distributed to ordinary people when they have to pay a weeks wages for a book by a respect voting anarchist

you can never take the slightest hint of criticism, not even of you, but of things associated with you, you're so self righteous at times

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Yes, well, when YOU try and kill a fascist dictator, then YOU can vote respect.

The simple fact is, what you're claiming isn't the case.

The full version of the autobiography is clearly a specialty item (with a print run of around 100 copies). It comes in 3 parts, is highly illustrated, published by a tiny publisher (Kate Sharpley Library) and is of unconventional design. It's clearly not there to appeal to a wide audience. That's what the cheaper (£12.99) version is for. If you're really interested in the Christie story specifically, and want the wanky nicely illustrated one, then why the fuck shouldn't they be able to get it? It's not even as if it's generally available - to get it you have to order it direct from KSL. Which no one who isn't an anarchist is going to do. And if you are an anarchist and are interested (ie, the target audience), then the chances are you'd be able to scrape enough together to afford it - especially as there's reductions for KSL subscribers, whom I would guess make up quite a substation % of those who are going to be interested. If you think £35 for a unique, small print run, illustrated book is 'obscene', then you really don't know much about the pricing of books.

Oh, and it's not 1912, £35 isn't a weeks wages.

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Yes, well, when YOU try and kill a fascist dictator, then YOU can vote respect.

The simple fact is, what you're claiming isn't the case....blah blah blah blah

i'll vote who i want to and when, not when you say pal

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Since then Mr Christie has claimed that many of the criticisms made by Bamford have been tackled in Mr Christie's own limited edition 3-volume autobiography priced just over £100

can you suggest how i am able to read about christie's tackling of bamford's criticisms without shelling out over a ton for a book then?

i must congratulate you though "jack", you've managed two responses without resorting to a cock, dick or scrotum, you're coming along nicely

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What, so you think he CHOSE for the book to cost £35 to make more money, then? roll eyes

It's pretty simple. Either the book could have existed, or it could not have existed. If it was going to exist in the full format, it was always going to cost something in that region. There's no economically viable way KSL (who I'd presume did the pricing anyway, not Christie personally) could price it much less than that - especially if they're giving a reduction to subscribers.

Given that some people wish to buy the book at this cost (even with the far cheaper £12.99 one existing), there's obviously demand for the book. So therefore, it's justified in existing.

It's like complaining at an academic who publishes a new piece through an academic publisher, and then uses their work to back up an argument.

If I say wrote a history of anarchism in Britain in the last 10 years academically, and got Macmillan or some shit to publish it, it'd cost around £40. Would I then be totally unjustified in refering to that book in an argument about anarchism in the last 10 years, because ordinary wor'in' cla' people couldn't afford it? roll eyes

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i always thought that academics and anarchists were different beasts, the former stuck in theory, detached from the wider normal public, doing little to actually change the world, the later....hmmmm wait a minute, now you mention it, maybe their not different

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So, your argument basically comes down to:

Anything produced by an anarchist should be cheap.

Nice one, buddy boy. Perhaps if we pretend REALLY HARD, capitalism will just go away.

Or, Christie could sell his house maybe? Then he could subsidise his book to a price you find reasonable.

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he owns his own house as well eek

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Oisleep - Independent publishing of books is prohibitively expensive for normal people, hence the massive price for the book.

If you, or any other worker wants to read it you can order it at a library and read it for free.

The books were in fact largely aimed at institutions, libraries and so on - I think it's very dishonest of Bamford to try and insinuate that Stuart is profiteering or something. If the price wasn't so high, none would have been published, and the commercial all-in-one one would never have been released either.

I think Christie would freely admit he was a bit naive - he was only 18! And he was trying to kill Franco, who had had a few hundred thousand anarchists + workers murdered...

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he owns his own house as well eek

You are aware that approx 70% of households in this country are owner-occupied, right?

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he owns his own house as well eek

You are aware that approx 70% of households in this country are owner-occupied, right?

Most of those with mortgages, mind wink

But NB not that Christie's home ownership is relevant anyway, Jack doesn't know what it is I'm guessing

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Nope, but if he has one, he could surely remortgage his home, so that his work is available to the poorest toilers of the land on their £35 weekly income.

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so he doesn't own his own house then? you were lying earlier or did you just assume everyone these days owns their own house?

i don't see just because he's an anarchist it makes him immune from criticism, why didn't he just write it on open office and let everyone read it

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Yes, oisleep, I was just assuming that, as I was being totally serious that he should flog it to subsidise the book. roll eyes

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i don't see just because he's an anarchist it makes him immune from criticism, why didn't he just write it on open office and let everyone read it

Because this would be shit. Who the fuck is going to bother reading 1000 pages on a computer? So now you're suggesting that anarchists shouldn't write books at all, and should distribute everything for free?

Seriously, are you actually as stupid as this post suggests, or just trying to wind me up? Genuine question.

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so he doesn't own his own house then? you were lying earlier or did you just assume everyone these days owns their own house?

I think he assumed, since a big majority do, especially people Christie's age

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i don't see just because he's an anarchist it makes him immune from criticism, why didn't he just write it on open office and let everyone read it

He's not immune to criticism. What's Open Office? He wrote the first book years ago.

Anyone can read it for free in a library (it would be nice if it - and the rest of the kate sharpley library stuff - was online though)

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Yes, oisleep, I was just assuming that, as I was being totally serious that he should flog it to subsidise the book. roll eyes
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i don't see just because he's an anarchist it makes him immune from criticism, why didn't he just write it on open office and let everyone read it

Because this would be shit. Who the fuck is going to bother reading 1000 pages on a computer? So now you're suggesting that anarchists shouldn't write books at all, and should distribute everything for free?

Seriously, are you actually as stupid as this post suggests, or just trying to wind me up? Genuine question.

well you could also print it out, you know on a printer, i'd sure as hell rather read what he's written without all the poncey illustratians and elitist nonsense, is it the words that's important or the way their packaged? it's the words for me, for you jack?

jack i'd never ever try and wind you up, ever

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well you could also print it out, you know on a printer

Yea, you could. But I know I'd rather have a collection of books than a collection of print outs. As would, I'd imagine, 99% of people. And that'd still cost. And not everyone has a computer, and not all of these have a printer. So it's a stupid argument. I mean, yea, it'd be nice if there was a text only version online somewhere. Lovely. But I'm not going to fucking condemn the man because there isn't. It's not like he has some duty to let people read his life story for free.

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, i'd sure as hell rather read what he's written without all the poncey illustratians and elitist nonsense, is it the words that's important or the way their packaged? it's the words for me, for you jack?

Then you're clearly not the target audience. If you just want the rough story, then get the fucking cheap version, Jesus. Having seen one of the volumes, and how awesome it looks, then yes, I do actually think the images add a lot to it, and are well used in context.

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jack i'd never ever try and wind you up, ever

I really hope you do believe this, because it'd leave your politics the most hilarious combination of the worst of the IWCA and the wombles I've ever seen.

How about next you attack, say, the Anarchist Federation for producing Organise!, rather than just printing it out without images and giving it away?

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well you could also print it out, you know on a printer, i'd sure as hell rather read what he's written without all the poncey illustratians and elitist nonsense, is it the words that's important or the way their packaged? it's the words for me, for you jack?

What elitist nonsense?

Oisleep, would you rather print 1,000 pages on a computer than go to a library? Even ignoring the fact I'm pretty sure the first book was written before the Net existed?

You and Jack are just winding each other up - why not calm down and take some time out from the thread?

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aye fairplay

which library can i read it in then?

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aye fairplay

which library can i read it in then?

I'm pretty sure you can order any book in any library if you wait a few days, can't you?

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can you, i didn't know that, i'll give it a go, ta

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Yeah, it's called an "inter-library loan", and used to cost 50p when I were a lad (10 years ago- i'm now officially a man, with receding hairline and everything).

On the AF thing- we do give organise! away for free- on the website www.afed.org.uk

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50p that's outrageous, etc. etc..!!

see jack, some anarchists can write stuff and give it away for free

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..... and of course, one heroic poster (or his girlfriend anyway) is heroically translating a leaflet on worker's rights into Polish, to be given away for free the length & breadth of the land.

smile wink

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So? A cheap version of Christie's work (£12.99 for a book) and Organise! (Being generous, 50p cost to print for a magazine) exist. More expensive, nicer quality versions of both also exist.

If I want a nice copy of Organise!, I'll buy it. if I just wanna read an article, I'll do that.

If I want the nice fancy illustrated fully detailed version of Stuart Christie's life, I'll buy a £35 volume. If I want a rough idea as to Stuart Christie's past, I'll get the 12.99 version. (Actually, I think it's not even 12.99, but 10.99 when i think about it)

What's the problem with the nice one existing? Seriously? Is it harming anyone? Is Christie ripping anyone off? Is it going to put people off anarchism?

I mean, yea, it would be lovely for it to be online, but to be honest, I have sympathy for KSL's argument that if they put all their stuff online, then they wouldn't sell enough to be able to produce more. And unless you're some kind of nutter who thinks that the internet has replaced the need for physical books/pamphlets, you'll understand why I think that'd be a bad thing. They might not be wrong about it, but if you honestly think that there's some greedy motivation behind this, then you really are just mad.

In fact, even if the Christie book was horrifically overpriced, all this would mean was it was subsidising the rest of the KSL output. Which, even if it were the case, wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

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..... and of course, one heroic poster (or his girlfriend anyway) is heroically translating a leaflet on worker's rights into Polish, to be given away for free the length & breadth of the land.

smile :wink:

grin

she's also doing an elitist version with gold plated lettering and fancy illustrations, they'll need to pay a tenner for it, but if the ordinaries don't like it they can fuck right off the whinging cunts!

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LOL grin