Graff etiquette?
Dec 4 2004 21:44
I've been told many a time that if you dont steal spraypaint intended for the purpose of graffiti then youre a servile little shit. It makes sense, if your gonna daub 'subversive' images or slogans on huge wall canvasas then you should really have the sincerity to steal the paints and materials in the first place, problem is your a lot more likely to get caught if you have your mug on cctv videos taking spraypaints from a DIY shop, plus it takes oudles more bottle than simply graffing. The theft of a product is always gonna be more subversive than graffing, unless your gonna create a peice on the face of an MP, yet it takes so much more courage and subtlety. Graffing is no more than an illegal artistic outlet, its the threat of doing something subversive or the admission of wanting something subversive, good fun though.
Dec 5 2004 09:51
#2
You fucking ridiculous outdated cunt, as if whether you fucking shop lift it or not makes ANY fucking difference?
Someone walks down the street. They see some anti-capitalist warrior of freedom has prepared the way for their liberation: by the side of the road, a message, a holy text. Could this change the poor proles life? He looks upon the words, and a change begins to overcome him. Inside, he feels something deep and exciting gripping him, as he takes in the message. "Capitalistz iz cunts" "u can't cancel mayday". Yes! YES! This is what he had search for so long. He knew his world would never be the same, his entire worldview changed from having read this message.
And yet... Something didn't seem right. Tenderly, he rubbed a finger over the paint. He sniffed the air. Something seemed out of place. Wrong. It troubled his new harmonous world view. Suddenly, he realised. He gasps. His world falls apart, and he cannot contain his horror. "Dear god..." he barely manages to get out "these scum PAID for this paint?". Rage filled his body. He had been betrayed! How dare these scum think they could make the local area look really shit with poorly formed political slogans placed out of context on any available surface, with PAID FOR paint? The fucking scum. How dare they.
Roaring angrily, his worldview changed once more. They were wrong. Quietly sighing, he shook his head. For a moment, he had been prepared to accept the endless opportunities offered by a world of freedom, without clas and hierarchy. And yet, betrayed by that non-stolen paint, he sneered as he walked away, his rage once more focused against his fellow man, and not his oppressor.
Dec 5 2004 11:17
#3
Jack>> He he! Youre so mean... and still so funny.
Dec 5 2004 19:02
#4
Your right Jack, most 'political' garff is both shit and pretentious.
Dec 5 2004 19:22
#5
Jack you fool... calm the fuck down. 
Dec 5 2004 19:39
#6
no jack don't listen to rkn ur post was great.
and most political graffiti sux but then i once sprayed "capitalism is bad for you" on a shutter and it got in the local feminist monthly (bad choice of words perhaps?).
and as rage once said anger is a gift, so suck on that one u hippies! 
Dec 5 2004 19:52
#7
I don't steal paint, it's a quid at my local hardware shop and I'm shit at stealing I get caught plus the guy who owns the shop lets me have little discount deals bless his cotton socks.political graff can be good if it's done well,not some shit scribble saying "Tony blair sux!!!!!111one1111!!!!"me and my friends have done big political pieces before and they looked quite good but thats because we spent time and effort on them, not some rubbish slogan that looks like it was done by a half blind retarded 9 year old with terets.
but this whole thread is silly I posted because I wanted more post counts and to tell you all about my badass graffting yum! 
Dec 5 2004 19:59
#8
I think you meant "tourette's [syndrome]".
Dec 5 2004 20:06
#9
yeah that too, I spelt it wrong on purpose just because I knew you'd post a correction just because you're so rad 
Refused is love!
Dec 6 2004 13:34
#10
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
I've been told many a time that if you dont steal spraypaint intended for the purpose of graffiti then youre a servile little shit.
Thats a stupidly pretentious attitude.
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The theft of a product is always gonna be more subversive than graffing,
No if graffittis done well and the message is good then its much more subversive than walking out of B and Q with a can or two of paint.
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...yet it takes so much more courage and subtlety.
I disagree. I reckon it takes more guts to do graf than to steal. But everyones different.
I tend to agree with Jack. In my younger years I used to do "political" graf. Some of it was cool but a lot of it was pretentious and really shit. I thought it rocked tho. 
Dec 6 2004 13:37
#11
I'm not particularly anti graffiti. I'm anti shit graffiti.
Or when it's done it stupid clearly anti-social places. Call me a liberal, but I don't think even the most astute and pretty design and political content could make doing it one someones home anything other than really fucking stupid.
Dec 6 2004 16:22
#12
The again it depends whose home it is...
Dec 6 2004 17:54
#13
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I'm not particularly anti graffiti. I'm anti shit graffiti.
welcome to the committee for the abolition of poorly formed political slogans. people who are unable to be funny, arty or to think up punchy, engaging slogans need not apply.
useful skills for a career in advertising.
i don't care how angry you feel, if its not up to standard, take your spraypaint elsewhere.
Dec 6 2004 18:00
#14
Admin edit: Sorry no website advertising.
Dec 6 2004 18:26
#15
Graffiti would only be good if it was all done by me.
Dec 6 2004 18:31
#16
alibaba wrote:
http://WWW.BOMBLONDON.COM
well i don't know what is worse the crap offensive graffiti or the fact it was mocked up using paintshop pro?
yeah spray painting bomb london over war memorials is a very smart move.
Dec 6 2004 18:36
#17
Jack wrote:
Graffiti would only be good if it was all done by me.
I like that slogan. Let's have it up on a bridge.
Dec 6 2004 19:09
#18
revol68 wrote:
well i don't know what is worse the crap offensive graffiti or the fact it was mocked up using paintshop pro?yeah spray painting bomb london over war memorials is a very smart move.
It's the london psychogeographical soc
Dec 7 2004 08:11
#19
revol68 wrote:
alibaba wrote:
http://WWW.BOMBLONDON.COM
yeah spray painting bomb london over war memorials is a very smart move.
Those were working class deaths. Only someone who hasnt thought about it enough would be proud of that.
Dec 7 2004 08:58
#20
Augusto_Sandino wrote:
revol68 wrote:
alibaba wrote:
http://WWW.BOMBLONDON.COM
yeah spray painting bomb london over war memorials is a very smart move.
Those were working class deaths. Only someone who hasnt thought about it enough would be proud of that.
only someone who hasn't thought about it enough would assume i disagreed with it out of some respect for militarism rather than because it is tactless and counter productive.
Dec 7 2004 12:02
#21
Wow, Alibaba. If Revol68 calls your work tactless, you really have hit rock bottom. 
Dec 7 2004 12:13
#22
I don't really care whether graff is done by a bought or a stolen spray can. i just like the way in which it reclaims a little patch of space for public enjoyment. It should be either something aesthetic or at least a good slogan though. otherwise it would just be like etching your name onto school desks with a compass.
that's why i'm not sure about tagging. it's basically writing a ludicrously-contrived nickname that bigs you up ghetto style. but if graffiti artists didn't tag early on in their 'career' then they couldn't develop the skills that allow them to create such brilliant art later on.
[love from Mr Change-the-subject-a-bit]
Dec 7 2004 12:16
#23
"Refused 
re Fuckin Dead" is always a bit special. 
Dec 7 2004 13:12
#24
A tag can be beatifull but
most people seem to put the effort into quantitity instead of quality when it comes to taging. There is always a posibility to practice taging on a cardboard or whatever. When it comes to making bigger paintings then it is hard to have anything to practice on except the walls. Which is kind of embarasing in the begining to have the first weak atemps of graffiti-art visible in public space.
Dec 7 2004 14:13
#25
I was gonna post up some sick artwork but all the stuff that came up on google was so-so 
Dec 7 2004 15:58
#26
3rdseason wrote:
I was gonna post up some sick artwork but all the stuff that came up on google was so-so :(
Tumble weeds link to a video with a dolphin sucking Che Guevaras dick is enough sick art for one year, THANK YOU!
Dec 7 2004 16:03
#27
good point that was MINGING!
Dec 7 2004 16:14
#28
Yeah(still coping with the chock). : P
Dec 7 2004 19:18
#29
On the subject of tagging, does anyone else get annoyed in a slightly anal way that the guy who scratches "elament" into the paintwork on all the tubes spells it wrong?
Dec 7 2004 20:17
#30
I think pretty much all tagging is absolute shit unless its next to a big piece you've done,its a waste of paint and the writers time.but in special cases its allowed if you're having a turf war with another writer and you tag over their stuff but apart from those two reasons.TAGGING=LAME
What do you think the baggie trousers are for?
If you are lucky enough to find some classicla ones then there will be a pocket inside the pocket that goes all the way down to the feets(see KIDS for an example)just builded in for shoplifting.
If think that specific moral codes about not stealing spraypaint warrys from place to place. To not steal would be werry expensive for a serious painter tough.