Queercore
Mar 1 2005 00:21
Where you there?
It was very good. If you went what did you look like? Theres lots of things i didnt understand, if osmeone could help me thatd b grand.
Mar 1 2005 10:28
#2
i had a quick google, but couldnt find any information on it. what is queercore?
Mar 1 2005 11:34
#3
gav wrote:
i had a quick google, but couldnt find any information on it. what is queercore?
If the discussion is about the genre then it's probably bands like Pansy Division, Dead Betties, Dominatrix, The Butchies, Fagotron, Limp Wrist and various others.
Mar 1 2005 12:15
#4
Is Dominatrix the group that did "Dominatrix sleeps tonight" re-released by international DJ gigolo records a while ago?
Mar 1 2005 12:51
#5
Wendal wrote:
Is Dominatrix the group that did "Dominatrix sleeps tonight" re-released by international DJ gigolo records a while ago?
No, that's a shit dominatrix. Dominatrix the queercore band are a group of angry brazilian lesbians (sound a bit like the distillers but with funny accents, worse production and interspersed with rants in portugese).
Mar 1 2005 18:21
#6
Yeah Dominatrix are well good.
Anyway this post seems to be about some sort of event none of us knew anything about? 
Mar 1 2005 18:32
#7
You mean you lot werent at Queercore?!
Come on guys, its like the event of the year!
Mar 1 2005 18:43
#8
rkn stop writing in silly font colours or i'll denounce you as decadent!
no, seriously stop it.
your the main admin, this sort of example will only lead to random capitalisation, varying font sizes and all sorts of silly things that 3rd season pretends to like in order to foster a kooky image.
Mar 3 2005 13:17
#9
[url]What do you mean ? [/url]
Mar 3 2005 14:31
#10
revol68 wrote:
all sorts of silly things that 3rd season pretends to like in order to foster a kooky image.
Nah I do actually like those silly things.
I can send you my new zines if you really want. You'll hate it. 8)
Mar 4 2005 19:06
#11
erm it was video and performance art at the Horse Hosppital. For about No Borders, S&M, Genderfuck lots of cool stuff. It was vert arty and there was no expalanTIOM NUT IT WAS DIFFERENT, i enjoyed it 
Mar 4 2005 23:16
#12
Sounds alright! Shoulda let us know before... who ran it?
I like the horsehospital...
Mar 6 2005 04:07
#13
tumble-weed wrote:
erm it was video and performance art at the Horse Hosppital. For about No Borders, S&M, Genderfuck lots of cool stuff. It was vert arty and there was no expalanTIOM NUT IT WAS DIFFERENT, i enjoyed it :)
Why do I always cringe when people add S&M and genderfuck to other political stuff with only the most tenuous abstract connection possible recently? I think it might be because I'm getting the feeling that genderfucking is (amongst queer radicals or radicals read up on queer politics) the big "if you do this it makes you super cool and radical" thing, and cause 90% of the time the people who do it are take it or leave it folks who dress down if they're likely to come up against shit for it and then have the audacity to tell transsexual folks (some of whom are pretty open-minded about gender issues and have way more coherent analyses than assholes like Kate Bornstein or Judith Butler, whichever one you worship, some of whom are both genderqueer and transsexual) that they're not gender-radical enough and are reinforcing the patriarchal binary (even though transpeople, generally seen as transgressors of gender standards in one way or another, seem to cop a significant amount more of this from gender/feminist theorists than any other group).
(Sorry for this post. No, really. Partly I really do deeply hate the whole "spuriously add genderfucking and s&m to border action or whatever and that makes us radical queers" school of political thought, partly I'm just in an incredibly bitter mood in general)
Mar 6 2005 20:20
#14
dear god queer theory is gay. 
Mar 9 2005 16:55
#15
wtfs wrong with it?
Mar 9 2005 17:10
#16
revol68 wrote:
dear god queer theory is gay.
it's just an attempt at radicalisng identity politics to make it more acceptable to anarchos
Mar 9 2005 17:16
#17
I think mainly tumble went to have fun, he certainly didn't come back talking about the importance of wearing fishnets in bringing anarchism to the masses (mind you that may just be cos I would've taken the piss 
).
Mar 9 2005 17:18
#18
No. Queer Theory is a rejection of this...
Its all good. What the fucks wrong with it? Or do you think restrictive gender roles and stuff are cool?
Mar 9 2005 18:35
#19
3rd your a fucking moron, thats not fucking queer theory you muppet, thats called gender theory and isn't anything new at all.
Mar 9 2005 18:53
#20
So are you saying the info page on this website is bollocks?
http://www.queermutinybristol.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/introqueer.html
I hate you.
Mar 9 2005 19:00
#21
yes it is, queertheory is just a trendy label thats been attached to studies of gender and sexuality.
get the fuck over it dipshit.
Mar 9 2005 21:57
#22
Yeah that would be an accurate description of queer theory, an amalgamation of studies on sexualities and gender. Why dislike the term "queer"?
Mar 9 2005 22:04
#23
cos it isn't just about queers you fucking tit!
Mar 9 2005 23:28
#24
its just a word which encompasses gender and sexuality. whats wrong with thinking about those issues and being more libertarian in attitudes towards those topics
you're just being picky.
Mar 9 2005 23:36
#25
my best friend's a transsexual and i'm doing a uni module on "Gender and Development", so i know quite a bit about the sex/gender/gender role distinction and gender theory... but i have no idea what "genderfucking", "genderqueer" or "queercore" mean...
btw, my basic position: gender roles are bullshit, but gender difference is biologically real... just as ethnicity/nationality is bullshit, but skin colour and genetic differences in disease susceptibility between human populations are real... i dunno what Judith Butler's position is, but i've had her work recommended to me... anyone got a link with a summary of her stuff?
Mar 10 2005 01:26
#26
3rdseason wrote:
its just a word which encompasses gender and sexuality. whats wrong with thinking about those issues and being more libertarian in attitudes towards those topicsyou're just being picky.
since when the fuck did queer emcompass gender and sexuality? surely queer is a fucking subset of it you daft twat. And don't fucking patronise me you lil fucktard,
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whats wrong with thinking about those issues and being more libertarian in attitudes towards those topics
yeah your right I mean thats what my criticism was about, i wasn't complaining about the ludricous concept of queer theory, nah I was just having a go at reasserting my heterosexist master discourse.
I wish someone would buy you a sustantial opinion.
Mar 10 2005 02:01
#27
Revol do you even know what queer means or did you just decide to slag it off anyway??
Queer is about fluid attitudes to sexuality and gender as opposed to binary determinism and such.
Do you think queer means gay or what?
Explain yourself.
Wtf does queer theory mean if not attitudes to gender and sexuality?
Mar 10 2005 04:11
#28
my criticism was based on the fucking name, "queer theory" is just a fuckng marketing rehash of various difuse theories on gender and sexuality, the person who coined the term would actually agree with me, she denounced it in 1994 as a marketing ploy that swiftly became "a conceptual vacuous creature of the publishing industry."
Its not hard to see how labelling a difuse, complex and cross disciplinary sphere of investigation "queer theory", is reductionist not to mention intellectually bankrupt, especially considering the complete looseness of a term like queerness.
Oh and queer is a label exclusively homosexual (as defined by the act of doing not potentiality) people use as well you daft fuck and in popular usuage doesn't apply to people who sleep with people of the opposite sex exclusively. I would imagine heterosexuality as the dominant paridigm might be of some interest to theorists of gender and sexuality.
It's stupid and only serves to ghettoise alot of of pertinent research and debate, not to mention it serves the postmodern zeitgeist of reducing all discourses to products marketed to particular demogrpahics.
Queer theory has turned alot of serious discourse into an episode of nathan barley but with more fishnets.
and if you bothered to read over most of my posts on feminism, porn, sexuality and gender you'd find that I actually am in agreement with much of what has been labelled "queer theory", I just don't wish to compartmentalise my thoughts into nice little marketable brands that can be fitted into a cool shelve down my local waterstones.
god you really annoy me 3rd, i mean you contradict me on the basis of it being me and it means that the same person who thinks "class struggle" anarchists are reductionist and therefore ideologically authoritarian can turn round and defend a die hard Stalinist.
Do you actually have a coherent thought in your head?
Mar 10 2005 11:05
#29
Queer radicalism, genderfucking and other similar stuff = Cool
Queer Theory = application of psychoanalysis, deconstructionism and other stuff in irrelevant ways to sex, gender and sexuality in society, mostly not making much sense but generating incomes for people writing bad textbooks the world over whilst giving people with bad assymetric haircuts a fuzzy feeling about themselves and how cool and abstract they are.
Psychoanalysis and it's application to everything anyone can think of especially is the most pointless thing in the world ever. Why does it get involved with anything labelled "theory"?????
Mar 10 2005 11:12
#30
rebel_lion wrote:
my best friend's a transsexual and i'm doing a uni module on "Gender and Development", so i know quite a bit about the sex/gender/gender role distinction and gender theory... but i have no idea what "genderfucking", "genderqueer" or "queercore" mean...
genderfucking: subverting gender, especially one's own gender presentation in order essentially to screw with peoples heads, but also to break down or challenge assumptions about gender and possibly to disable the social effects of gender.
genderqueer: someone who feels labels like "boy" and "girl" don't really fit them, perhaps someone who disagrees with the entire binary gender system (ie: believes not that they're one, the other or in-between, but that they're neither, or that gender is entirely about what they're wearing that day)
queercore is the gay punk scene.
Queercore? I assume you mean an event. cause otherwise this reads like a really emo poem.