Anti-White Racism
Jun 15 2005
Anti-White Rascism
It is blatently obvious that the biggest form of rascism in England is against White people.
White people get attacked, abused and more yet nobody ever complains.
It is pretty obvious why. In our society we are so worried about rascism against Black and Asian people that we forget rascism against the indigenous people in england.
Last time i complained about rascism after suffering abuse for being white i was the one who the cops called a rascist for daring to complain about it.
What do people think about this issue and the silence over rascism against White people?
Jun 15 2005
#2
white people are the most frequent victims of racism in britain because we are the vast majority of the population
what traitor (to his class?) forgets to mention is that most the vast mjority of rascism to white people comes from other white people
Jun 15 2005
#3
Traitor wrote:
I can smell a bad smell!
Jun 15 2005
#4
Remember, Europeans are by far the greatest majority in the UK. Asians and blacks are not only the minority but are made to feel so. They resent it and act accordingly. There's no doubt that some of the minority will feel aggressive or dismissive towards the Europeans , but we can, at this time live with it. No man gets up in the morning looks in the mirror and wonders if his colour's wrong.It's the outsider that has thoughts like that about others.What we have to do is build up solidarity and brotherhood between all races. It sounds pompous, but never-the-less it's what we should be seeking. As anarchists we're trying to change society, immigrants are just people trying to find a place to live and bring up their children , what we have to do is show them that their problems, in the long run, are shared by all of us. As the majority community and as the struggling community we have to seek to persuade minority communities that their place is with us. For anarchists there is no other way. This doesn't mean we have to pander, we're not politicians, but it does mean we have to try harder than most and be patient. I can't see that anarchists have a choice unless we want to struggle on our own.
Jun 15 2005
#5
kalabine wrote:
what traitor (to his class?) forgets to mention is that most the vast mjority of rascism to white people comes from other white people
exactly, look at the examples of how people from the ascension EU states are treated in the UK, however they don't exist as a group who are subject to "racial"/cultural discrimination, at least the Irish can tick a box on a form to say there Irish and get measured and monitored and what have you, there's next to fuck all research done on it either, and don't even try asking phillips for help
Jun 15 2005
#6
traitor did you know that england is named after the angles, a germanic tribe from the 5th and 6th centurys? what does that tell you about the genetic heritage of people living on a small island in the middle of the ocean easily reachable down the centuries by boat?
maybe before you start spouting off about racist attacks on indigenous people you should learn some history. while your at it, read about the ways in which different governments have manipulated immigration policy, offering and withdrawing different degrees of citizenship as and when they chose, and then theres the british empire, the way the empire was administered, whose interests it served, what the consequences were for the people living in the colonies and what the consequences of empire still are in the present day.
when you've finished all that, come back and talk about racism and "indigenous" people.
i'm leaving the rest for other people to point out....
Jun 15 2005
#7
see if he can show us where saxony is on the map whilst he's at it
Jun 15 2005
#8
what about racism today?
Jun 15 2005
#9
Go on, what about it?
Jun 15 2005
#10
Traitor wrote:
what about racism today?
is that a weekly?
Jun 15 2005
#11
Traitor wrote:
what about racism today?
ask stephen lawrence? or the police who investigated his death? or my mate whose two kids are the same age as mine and have enough producers from the cops to plaster a wall. the only difference between her kids and my kids is that mine are white and hers are black.
or since stephen's dead you could try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
seriously traitor, if you want to start a discussion about racism, it helps to have some idea of what you are talking about. otherwise you sound like a member of the british national party. are you?
Jun 15 2005
#12
dont be silly i dont support the BNP.
do you think there is a problem today with rascism against white people?
Jun 15 2005
#13
Traitor, you are sound just like the fascist that Pushka and I were bored to shit by the other month in a Burnley pub. He was coming up with a similar line Traitor!
Here are a couple of stories from our Asian friends, from the Burnley Voice webforum. These stories are not isolated incidents, they are common incidents of fascist abuse towards the asian community in Burnley.
"My colleague and I were sitting in the park with twenty children, whose ages ranged from three to fifteen years. We decided to take the children around the lake onto the playing fields, two girls who walked ahead were accosted by two older girls and their headscarves were grabbed off their heads and thrown into the river. As we encountered the girls and their friends they began hurling racial abuse at us, we ignored them and walked towards the playground, but they followed us and as soon as our children began playing, the two girls joined by their friends began harassing the children, pushing them around and pushing the swings until the children were terrified. I gathered the children together away from the swings. The children saw that the roundabout was free and all rushed towards it, with the result that the teenagers went over and started crazily turning it faster and faster until all the children were screaming. I rushed towards a young man, carrying the three year old and pleaded with him to intervene, as he brought it to a stop the girls lashed out at him and then, being incited by their woman friend, who was in charge of two babies in a pram, they darted about hitting and grabbing the children. I put the child down and with my good arm (the other being in a plaster cast) lunged at the woman and grabbing her by the throat began shaking her and told her to stop it. Once the children were gathered together in a group I let go and we quickly marched towards the exit. As we attempted to leave we were threatened and harangued until two adult males came to our aid. Even in spite of that they continued throwing twigs and branches at us, one branch skimmed passed the head of a three week old baby, as the mother looked on in horror.
To cut a long story short the police arrived, they said they could have had a word with the girls but as they had now gone off across the road it didn’t seem appropriate. I complained about this attitude only to be told, “We’re sick up to here of your domestic disputes!”.
From that day on I knew we would have to look out for ourselves, that is the reality for anyone who is a little bit different."
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"About stories, my local spare shop has been under attack in that the local BNP councillor and Burnley and Pendle community housing have accused them of selling drink to underaged kids. Fortunately he told me that because there was no proof just hearsay, the case has been dropped. He has agreed to be on the site moreover because after the first elections where the BNP did well people would come in and say they wouldn't shop there any more and youths were jumping on his car. He also wrote to the papers last summer about the youths hanging around his shop many of whom come from Padiham. There is a family in padiham who have had their house/shop fire bombed. Also there is the question of the BNP using other people's grief to capitalize on bad feeling towards ethnic minorities. A woman from my works lost her granchild to a hit and run driver who was a refugee that had been refused leave to stay. The BNP used this as a campaign and she went on tv to denounce the BNP for doing so. Similarly a case involving a young lad who was stabbed by asians. The family are fighting to get a memorial removed that the BNP erected without their permission. If I hear anything else I'll send it."
Jun 15 2005
#14
Traitor wrote:
do you think there is a problem today with rascism against white people?
hmmm, u75 traits there fella
Jun 15 2005
#15
TRAITOR.
Though I've been active for years in anti-racism and anarchist matters, I've never suffered racism from asians in any real way. I've been persecuted by employers and police, I've been discriminated against by various town councils and other authorities ,various fascists have had a go and some anarchists as well, but never have I had any thing more than words from right wing asians. One talked about 'reds under the bed,' and I had the pleasure of listening to a whole meeting, about 100 young asians roar their dissent. Waken up traitor ! Get a better name and look about you the problem is capital, it is the state and its authority. The minority communities are not our enemies and by adopting this whining attitude you simply play the state's game and add to our problems.
Jun 15 2005
#16
Of course anti-white racism exists. It's foolish to pretend otherwise. But it's even more stupid to pretend that it's more prevalent than anti-black and anti-asian racism.
Jun 15 2005
#17
In short, no. I've never experienced it, nethier has anyone else I know, nor do the vast majority of white people in the UK, partly because, and this is important, they don't live near any non-whites, and partly because when they do, they are usually in such an enormous majority that the chances of any non-white being stupid enough to start an explicitly racist hate-campaign are practically zero.
In the few places where white and non-white are in some sort of parity, yes of course there is some racism, but it would still be retarded to think that the whites somehow have it worse because they can't fight back of go to the police - have you not noticed the number of coppers being done for racism/BNP membership etc etc recently? It's an institution that historically has picked up a very large percentage of white supremacists. In a country like the UK, the odds are always stacked against the minorities
Jun 15 2005
#18
btw i currently live in tottenham, where white british are in a minority, the only time i have been on the recieving end of racism was when i went out with a chinese bird (from chinese people) when i went out with an african bird (from white people) and when taking a group of asian boys on a sponsered walk from southampton to winchester, and we stopped in a shopping centre in winchester for a break, and the security team came and asked us to leave, as we were scaring the customers and shopkeepers - we told them to ring the police if they had a problem, cos we were riled up, and when the copper turned up it turned out to be one of the football coaches from the inner city youth club most of the asian lads belonged to, he gave the security a real bollocking and threatened to arrest their boss for racism
the only time i've been glad to see a copper 8)
long story short - i've never experienced racism when i've been with other white british people...
Jun 15 2005
#19
what is it about the amount of cops that are involved in kids football teams, my da managed youth teams for years, though to be fair he was doing that well before he sold out and became a cop.
fuck i wish my da would take his redundancy pakage and become like your Geoff fella from Byker Grove, then I'd get some fucking anarcho kudos.
Jun 17 2005
#20
Racism is about power. In an unequal society it shows its ugly head wherever one group is able to dominate another becasue of their colour or ethnic origin. Sometimes people can be both perpetrators and victims. I've certainly seen it from both sides.
Jun 20 2005
#21
kalabine wrote:
btw i currently live in tottenham, where white british are in a minority
I agree with your post, but have to call you out on that point as I seriously doubt it's true. It would only be true if you compare figures of "white to "non-white". Breaking it down to black, asian, chinese etc, I would think that white are still the largest single group. It's a similar situation where I live in Brent.
It may seem a minor point, but I reckon it's worth thinking about in terms of what we subconsiously think of as "the other".
Jun 20 2005
#22
While I think we have a commitment to challenge oppression we also should talk about what affects the WHOLE community. Some will argue that since whites are proportionally greater than other ethnic groups that anti-white expressions are neither here nor there, YOU ARE SO WRONG!
Ive recently had to deal with a family member being jumped by a gang of asians, and being white, living in an wholemost entirely white neighbourhood and finding one of the few times a family member as any dealings with asians, hes kicked in, serves only to reinforce racism from his perspective and generally messes it up for everyone. And Im pretty fucked off by the whole ordeal...
In some areas where large contingents of one ethnic group gathers, racism will invariably affect many groups, not just white/black/asian. I think this is more so in muslim areas, due to its obbsession with keeping things within their community....
Jun 21 2005
#23
OL - you're right, anti white racism is a real issue that does effect a lot of people, and i would hope we're not being seen as ignoring it
re - white in tottenham, i said white british, of course whites are a majority if you include greeks, turks, russians, albainians, poles, latvians etc
Jun 23 2005
#24
Ive seen lots of racism against asian people and also people married to or going out with asian people, tho i dont think racism against white people should be ignored or seen as a lesser thing cos it depends wot area u live in whether whites r a majority. Where i was at school asians were the majority in my school and a white friend was being bullied for being white. When she stood up and said actually she was proud to be white she was told off by the teacher for being racist. i think racism against whites is much less prevalent but just as serious as any other kind of racism.
Jun 24 2005
#25
anna_key wrote:
i think racism against whites is much less prevalent but just as serious as any other kind of racism.
Agreed.
Jun 24 2005
#26
I think at the root of it anyone can be racist, regardless of their own skin colour. However to take this basic, base line view of racism dosen't really help at all, for racism comes out of alot of socio-economic factors.
One thing that I have seen recently is the mixing of racism and anti-asylum feelings (I know the 'proper' word begins with x, but I can't remember it!), people may not like to be labelled as racist, but to be seen as being anti-asylum is ok, for not only do papers support such views i.e the Daily Mail, but so do political parties i.e. the BNP. Racism may still be a dirty word , but anti-asylum feelings seem not to be so much.
Now aside from the racism/ asylum link, I mentioned already that racism at its base is that- racism to someone because of their skin colour, however racism arises for many different reasons, and from many different areas. I live in a very racial and culture mixed area of London, and I have rarely, if ever seen racism towards white people, sure i've seen people insult each other, but i've never seen this in a racist way, nor have I seen racist graffti against white people. One thing I do see though is the stopping of all races by the Police, especially of the youth, but that is a different topic.
However I have seen racism towards black and asian (indian, chinese, japanese etc) people, not just insults, but racist ones, recently near my college there has been a wall painted with NF and various racist terms (however this will be dealt with soon....).
Now moving on from looking at racism in different racial forms, what is its roots and causes? Firstly i'd like you to think of how many racist terms there are, and then again how many of these terms are either against white people (this area is abit complex, abit like saying 'ethnic' people, for whites can include Irish, Welsh and Scottish, and other racially white people, but who can have vastly different and unique cultures and lifestyles, for the term 'white people' I mean English white people). There is much less racist terms for white people then there is for black people, or asian, or even different racial white groupings.
Now also look at the Police, or other Govermental institutions- far from it do I need to go into detail here over their racism, either overt or covert.
Racism, and the linking of anti-asylum in with it, is a fine tool to divide people with, especially if 'they' have a different culture to 'us', again think of asylum, through the Goverment's highly anti-asylum culture, and the recent election campaign shows how disgusting this culture is.
The division of people through not class or material wealth, but through racial and cultural features, is a main division to people today. In terms of class (I don't know what you all think on this), but the vast majority of asylum seekers come into the UK as working-class, or in a more defined term, in manual, low paid, high dangerous, working class jobs, or are employed in the black economy. These people are not 'sapping' of the system (the papers that say they do make me f**king mad, for their bosses sap the most!), 'they' do not 'nick our jobs', 'they' come here for a variety of reasons, a main one being fleeing from wars or persecution (how many times has the British state had a hand in that then??), and do not just get 'big, free houses' and hey, thats that. I'm not defending asylum seekers in a liberal, 'aww' type way, the comments i've said here such as 'sapping of the state' or the 'free housing' comment i've heard when talking to people on the issue, and also from talking with people I know who work with asylum seekers and in asylum issues, I know this is a topic of racism, and also from being with mates who are from many different racial and cultural backgrounds.
The same form of anti-asylum/ racism was true for black people who came to Britain in the immediate post-war years, or the Asians (see prodomently Indians) who followed soon after (my history here is not the best, I don't claim to give a definate history of the asylum over the years, just a few examples), and they faced alot of the same treatment then that asylum seekers do now.
Sorry if this seems like an essay, its the first big post i've done here, and I discuss this alot with my friends and family, so I have a fair bit to say on it.
Jun 24 2005
#27
Nah don't apologise, it's good stuff. Hope you stick around 8)
Jun 25 2005
#28
Power, you are dead right. Racism is mostly directed against people from from the white majority.
Mostly, those people who have paid attention to anti-white racism have done so, in my opinion, to counter some of the liberal rubbish that appeared earlier in this thread.
Jun 27 2005
#29
Rascisms a problem thats affects white people as well as non-white people
Jun 27 2005
#30
I wrote:
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Power, you are dead right. Racism is mostly directed against people from from the white majority.Mostly, those people who have paid attention to anti-white racism have done so, in my opinion, to counter some of the liberal rubbish that appeared earlier in this thread.
Jeez - did I really write that bollocks. Racism is usually directed against people not from the white majority. I must have missed the keys whilst typing!! What I wrote makes me sound like some arse from the BNP!
Traitor said:
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Rascisms a problem thats affects white people as well as non-white people
Most of us probably agree with you Traitor. LIberal whingers with a guilt complex deny it happens. But certainly where I live, Oldham, the asian people feel it more.
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