Hakim Bey, American Anarchists and Paedophiles
Jun 17 2005 13:14
Was looking for information about Hakim Bey (author of Temporary Autonomous Zone and other shit) being a paedophile, something I've heard from a few places.
Found some articles of his he wrote for the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA - which I had thought was invented by South Park), and also this discussion on indymedia
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/86383_comment.php
The response to the the article is incredible!!
Quote:
Anti-paedophilia is an expression of cultural prejudice.
WTF?!!!
I had heard from Chicago anarchists too that the founder of an anarchist bookshop there banned all discussion of NAMBLA books being sold there - anyone know what the deal is?
Has Hakim Bey ever been tried or convicted of anything? Or just written stuff?
How is this shit permitted to be associated with anarchism in the US?
Jun 17 2005 14:40
#2
Beat poet Alan Ginsberg was a member of NAMBLA too....
"Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance ...
I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too -- everybody does, who has a little humanity."
NAMBLA or Hakim Bey is definitely not associated with any responsible stream of anarchism in the united states, only lifestylism here or there. the crap he writes is pretty irrelevant. it's not like he's trying to revive anarcho-communism with a paedophile tradition. i think the problem is he hasn't been called out on his paedophilia, so he still hangs around the periphery of anarchism in the u.s. this is the first i've heard about it! interesting....
He writes for crimethinc though, if somehow you could expose crimethinc as his man-boy legion of paedophiles i would love you forever.
"My Political Beliefs"
barelegged on his bicycle in the park he rides beneath
a children's fountain -droplets catch his hair which
the afternoon makes somewhat bronze, beaded with molten dew
--the sunset over Jersey like an industrial krakatoa:
Newark Gold, Secaucus Red, East Orange.
The button on his blazer: Anarchist Bicyclists
he's in the bathtub, I see
him through a crack in the door playing with himself, he calls me in, shows me
underwater push-ups and sit-ups, except for his gallic buttocks his skin is gilt as the air over the Hudson. The touch of his wet, bath-wrinkled fingers in my hand... but then...
one of his parents clumps down the hall... I suppose to make sure neither of us is raping the other...
[chorus of groans] Ohhh! for a
Buster-Keaton-bomb all spherical & black as coaldust with sweet sparkling with sweet sparkling fuse -a mindbomb to
Drop on the Idea of the Family! O for a libertarian isle of runaways! O goodnight
Moon, I am lost, actually lost without him
But I didn't want this to be
Just another poem about hopeless love. Pretend it's a manifesto instead. Down with School! Boy Rule OK! In the land of dreams
No governance exists
But that of anarchs and kings, for dreamers have not yet learned to vote or think past the unfurling of the moment. He touches my cheek, runs delicate fingers through the hairs on my arm.
My liege shatters all Law for a triple kiss.
--Hakim Bey [Peter Lamborn Wilson]
Jun 17 2005 14:42
#3
..... all of which raises the question, why do they sell this shit in Freedom?
Jun 17 2005 15:16
#4
Because paedo noncery sells?
Jun 17 2005 15:19
#5
x6party6gurl6x wrote:
The button on his blazer:
It's a lie, I tells ya 
Jun 17 2005 15:21
#6
Refused wrote:
Because paedo noncery sells?
True enough. But the last time I looked, they didn't have The Da Vinci Code, and that definitely sells.
Jun 17 2005 16:00
#7
the button wrote:
..... all of which raises the question, why do they sell this shit in Freedom?
Well the lifestylists love the Bey (who loves the Boys), I'll look into what of his is sold
Jun 17 2005 16:53
#8
i would like to ask freedom, and ak and everyone else who sells bey's shit to think again - is it right to financially support pedononces?
Jun 17 2005 19:14
#9
Generally anarchist book sales don't benefit the authors at all...
Jun 17 2005 19:41
#10
he worships his own creation of childhood and entwines his sexuality with the sexuality of children. he is one sick fuck.
Quote:
you know that in all these shopping-mall farmer-frame-house rigid December Bored-Again Xtian towns there must be boys with names like Jimmy & Joey ~ let's say one of them is almost eight, raggedy-kneed blue- jeans & an old slouch tweed cap, hair & eyes both the samesoft Venetian brown, body svelte as a Caravaggio urchin-cherub ~ and the other ten-&-a-half, huge slightly crazy green eyes, world record eyelashes, hair the color of Lindisfarne-gospel goldleaf ~ wild enthusiasts, boastful liars, agents of chaos, cuddle-monsters, extortionists of toys & favors, fancy-dancers, dirty jokesters, natural-born exiles from the undus Imaginalis ~ right! there must be millions like them in these frozen flatlands, millions of secret epiphanies in thousands of icy boxy little houses at every point of the night-whistle-echoing nation ~ but
imagine just this once instead of staying on the Wabash
Cannonball or whatever Zephyr you disembark just here & now & finally
penetrate the mystery of these lost-town boys who might have waited
unknowingly forever for someone to notice their beauty, might have
grown old and heavy, square & dull without ever communicating
their dirty-sweet fragrance & sheer unreasoning joy to a single poet ~ but this time you finally get off the train in this godforsaken grain-embargoed cowburg ~ and thanks to the whim of some nearly defunct amerindian pagan-pervert genius locii this time at last you get to meet Jimmy & a
Joey who are precisely as imagined, feed them cheeseburgers & pink shakes & bribe them with action-figures & gum, these two microcosms, these two fire-clowns ~ so that all of us in a moment of mutual unspoken relief at this shattering of worshipful destinies, all of us suddenly gracefully have to embrace & kiss, kiss chaste & cool on the lips & grin like
bobcats for this fortunate derailment...
...their perfect gentle filth which defines the plane of sensuality
but this is the best:
Quote:
People probably ought to choose the people they live with.''Open-membership" communes invariably end up swamped with freeloaders and sex-starved pathetic creeps.
clearly his wish to interpret and understand sexual need and behaviour doesn't relate to adults, its the sexual romantisism of children that does it for him. pity for the kids hes around that a lot of people seem to think hes god.
i don't think freedom should sell his shit whether it benefits the authors or not.
Jun 17 2005 21:54
#11
It's funny. In the 70s there was a group calle dthe Paedophile Liberation something or other. Got alot of publicity in the anarchist movement. Lifestylist shit. Still around eh?
Jun 17 2005 23:45
#12
Can\'t say I\'m surprised. Liberals.
Jun 18 2005 14:00
#13
Edit: nevermind 
Jun 18 2005 14:06
#14
the button wrote:
John. wrote:
Has Hakim Bey ever been tried or convicted of anything? Or just written stuff?If you google "hakim bey" + convicted, you come up with a couple of pieces from the journal "Anarchy," written by the HB during his time of imprisonment for paedo-noncery.
Unfortunately, I couldn't open the pages or post the links due to the nature of what I do for a living, which involves getting unsolicited e-mails & phonecalls from paedo-nonces other than Hakim Bey bragging about abusing their kids.
I can't seem to find anything that said Bey was convicted for noncing, plenty of stuff where he defends it, though, the sick fuck.
Jun 18 2005 14:24
#15
John. wrote:
the button wrote:
..... all of which raises the question, why do they sell this shit in Freedom?
Well the lifestylists love the Bey (who loves the Boys), I'll look into what of his is sold
TAZ and Immediatism.
Jun 20 2005 08:42
#16
knightrose wrote:
It's funny. In the 70s there was a group calle dthe Paedophile Liberation something or other. Got alot of publicity in the anarchist movement. Lifestylist shit. Still around eh?
It was called the Paedophile Information Exchange. Sick fuckers. Literally.
Jun 20 2005 08:56
#17
HAkim Bey cnd Patrick Pearse I somehoe knew they had more in common than shit politics and pretensious nonsencial verse.
Jun 20 2005 09:17
#18
Quick tip - google under his real name Peter Lamborn Wilson as well and you'll turn up a lot more damning info including stuff on LWs mag Wild Children: A Zine For Kids:
Jun 20 2005 09:35
#19
cheers butchers. A good article as well.
John and Jack- I think Freedom should stop carrying his stuff.
Jun 20 2005 10:51
#20
I worked in a email centre last year and my job was to respond to emails for Amazon.com, quite a few were complaints about Amazon carrying NAMBLA's periodical. We had a standardised response about Amazon being against censorship and that Amazon was not responsible for the content etc etc. Some of the complaints were well good, don't remember anyone emailing about it's availability.
They still list some NAMBLA published material >> link here but it's outta stock haha.
>> link here
Unfortunately there's no complaints or reviews for either.
Hey all those anarcho paedos sound like that fella outta that shite Anarchist Cookbook film.
Jun 21 2005 01:07
#21
pingtiao wrote:
cheers butchers. A good article as well.John and Jack- I think Freedom should stop carrying his stuff.
i agree - it's not really releavant whether he gets any money or not, it's more whether you want to see londons premier anarchist bookshop/distributor seen as being soft on pedononcery
it's not censorship as you wouldnt be attacking others who distribute it, though you would then be able to criticise them of course
Jun 26 2005 12:44
#22
has freedom decided to stop stocking this shite yet?
Jun 28 2005 20:25
#23
I also would like to know the answer to that. Your credibility is on the line .
Jun 28 2005 21:00
#24
Or have you decided to stock BNP stuff on the basis of being against censorship. I would like an answer folks or you're stuffed in my view. Well????
Jun 28 2005 22:12
#25
thaw wrote:
Or have you decided to stock BNP stuff on the basis of being against censorship. I would like an answer folks or you're stuffed in my view. Well????
Look thaw, what on Earth are you talking about. You know absolutely nothing about Freedom whatsoever, or Hakim Bey. You come one here, talk some rubbish, maybe say some ridiculous racist comment or other but then spin the admins a story to be soft on you. You're talking crap again, and for what?
Has anyone actually emailed Freedom bookshop ( shop AT freedompress.org.uk it says on the site) to ask them? If not then don't pretend that you actually care
edited to add - actually while CAG, now CSG, were working at Freedom they removed all his books from the shelves. No idea what the current state of play is myself. As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't be there cos it's just shite.
Jun 28 2005 22:21
#26
I've just e-mailed them.
Referred to this thread and the article butchers posted, refrained from posting my own views on him (which were pretty bad before any mention of paedophilia was made). Will see what happens. If I get some liberal crap as a response they'll get a much longer and very nasty e-mail back again.
Jun 28 2005 22:28
#27
I was wondering about how this tosser is allowed to have anything to do with us... and TBH maybe this is why - I didn't want to post this thread, cos it associates anarchists with nonces, albeit only one nonce. And maybe I thought it'd be best to ignore so as not to let it known that a high-profile anarchist is a nonce. But fuck it, the guy's a nonce, he should be told to fuck off.
What can we do?
Try and demand that all anarchist bookshops/sites stop selling his stuff or hosting his articles? Has he ever had any comeback from any american anarchists?
Jun 28 2005 22:34
#28
I saw Cleaver citing TAZ in "Kropotkin, Self-Valorisation and the Crisis of Marxism" today, from 1992. He's got some weird links with shit anarchists Cleaver (Bey/Zerzan obviously, not Kropotkin).
Jun 28 2005 22:48
#29
Catch wrote:
I saw Cleaver citing TAZ in "Kropotkin, Self-Valorisation and the Crisis of Marxism" today, from 1992. He's got some weird links with shit anarchists Cleaver (Bey/Zerzan obviously, not Kropotkin).
Zerzan used to be in Zerowork, like Perlman right? He went primmo as well.
Jun 28 2005 22:52
#30
Cleaver's Bey reference was from 1992. Bey was already quite well known as a trust fund lifestylist wanker by then I think. Zerzan's maybe a bit more understandable, assuming he didn't talk shit in zerowork as well.
If you google "hakim bey" + convicted, you come up with a couple of pieces from the journal "Anarchy," written by the HB during his time of imprisonment for paedo-noncery.
Unfortunately, I couldn't open the pages or post the links due to the nature of what I do for a living, which involves getting unsolicited e-mails & phonecalls from paedo-nonces other than Hakim Bey bragging about abusing their kids.