Immensely stupid article on Red Lake school shootings

An extremely tragic incident!

It does not dissuade from the fact the kiddie was a fuckin nazi/fascist! The only good nazi...

Yeah that article seems to have a pretty simplistic approach

First you assume i know nothing about what has happened to native americans, wrong, true i'm not native american, don't know any either, but i've read, i feel, a considerable amount on their struggle.

He is quoted as saying "Under a National Socialist government, things for us would improve vastly," it continued. "That is why I am pro-Nazi. It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist, people are so misinformed, ignorant and close minded, and it makes your life a living hell."

Sounds like a nazi/fascist to me, so therefore my first statement still applies.

Also the reports a fucking joke.

"But Weise's political beliefs appear rather schizophrenic. On the one hand, he argued for tribal and racial purity – and advocated a Native American separatist movement - on the other, he admired Hitler and the Nazis, ignoring he fact that if the Third Reich had overtaken the United States, American Indians would have been among those in the gas chambers and concentration camps."

Where's the schizo behavior, in that (racial purity)?

As i've already said the incident is tragic.

No i won't be making a donation, but you could make one to me if you like, as i'm skint!

Hundreds of thousands of other people come from identical backgrounds, in the US and Canada.

They seem to be able to avoid associating with fascists (Weise was reportedly a regular poster on nazi internet chatrooms) or shooting schoolchildren.

They are the people you should be supporting Barnaby, not some nazi nut.

If you ask me, anyone who takes a gun to a load of school kids has clearly got serious problems in their life. Under such circumstances, a political ideology like fascism can seem to have the answers. FFS, the kid was only 16 years old and a lot of people are a bit mixed up at that age. I don't think you can label someone a fascist (and condemn them as such) when they have plenty of time to learn why that ideology is so destructive and misguided and change their ways. A bit of understanding wouldn't hurt...

When's the cutoff point?

there's never a fixed cutoff point as I'm sure you know. However, I reckon at 16 theres enough room to give the benefit of the doubt plus, as I said, the kid clearly had problems with life in general which he needed to sort out and if he had resolved those issues he might have changed his political view. When I was seventeen, I was thinking extreme capitalist thoughts cos I couldn't believe that anyone else (apart from my family) would go out of their way to do anything to help me. I was a true social reject (even the other social rejects rejected me) so I reasoned that it was up to me to look after #1 and fuck everyone else if they didn't like it. I got older, I met different kinds of people, I learned. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a sob story and I'm not complaining about my life. I'm just saying sometimes you gotta give people a chance to resolve their teenage issues and become rational, balanced individuals like what I am now.

*goes off to beat up the chimp tied up in his garage*

Where's your cut-off point with people who support national socialist ideas? Do you agree with Jeremy hardy that life would be so much easier if all the BNP's 200,000 voters could be quietly killed?

Where are those 200,000 voters, going round, calling themselves "the angel of death", saying "Under a National Socialist government, things for us would improve vastly," "That is why I am pro-Nazi.", promoting a fascist ideology. Shit, some fuckers on here promote, tactical voting. Although that's entirely different argument. Get real!

Who knows how much of that gets said in private? If people write shit on websites and do 'go around' saying that they support national socialist policies then they should be killed, or are at least better off dead, right? Even children?

Or something different, did you got my drift then? Why do you think people vote for the bnp or whoever then?

Wait til they're sticking you in trucks an off to the camp then? Simple answer, Yes!

A 16 year old armed with a gun and with a national socialist ideology, at a school, shooting other "kids". Where do you draw the line?

So by your logic he's not a nazi/national socialist then, even though he claimed to be.

As for your logic with marilyn manson, WTF?

Well first of all, as is said in the paper, the articles are not necessarily representative of the whole collective (I struggle to get why this is such a difficult concept for some people), so blaming Freedom collectively is out of order.

We publish people with a variety of ideological standpoints, and would be happy to publish a rebuttal letter from you if you were bothered to write it rather than just going online and slagging us off on a web board.

Secondly, the awareness that killing is wrong is present from a vastly earlier age than 16, it is unacceptable behaviour whatever the circumstances and should rightly be condemned.

Thirdly, perhaps the feelings of the families of the people dead by his hand should also be considered before exonerating him of responsibility for his actions. I'd say 'a neo-nazi has tragically died after killing several people' would be equally insulting to a great deal more people than what was written.

Please do write a letter. Yes that statement is obviously insensitive and ill thought out.

fuck i hate anarchos and their retarded anti fascism!

oh he was a nazi, no he fucking wasn't he was a fucked up kid looking for some sort of meaning in his life, oh sorry i forgot national socialists are really a major threat to our liberty at the moment, i mean it's not like they are generally alienated sociopaths to be more pitied than saw as a a proto 3rd reich.

Fucksake get some fucking perspective you cocks.

p.s. im well prepared to confront fash physically when they attempt to organise, but im not prepared to glout at the fate of a fucked up depressed kid. That goes for alot of the fash in this country as well.

Yeah

Feel free to write in, it'll be the first bit of proper debate to hit the letters page for a while.

On the lack of a name, do you not think that our antifascist roundup writer should be entitled to a bit of anonymity? Given that they are doing the thing most likely to provoke a violent reaction in the whole paper?

Hell none of the articles I write in have my real name attached, does that mean they should all be specifically checked and okayed for ideological content by every individual member (and presumably writer for) the collective before going in? I think you overestimate our resources and free time.

To be honest, I didn't have alot to do with the article so you'd have to ask the individual writer for their view/explanation (not sure who that was but can possibly find out).

Fair enough.

Edit: debate would probably be the wrong word actually.

Do you mean that a lot of fash in this country/elswhere, are depressed kids/adults, trying to find a way out of the shit they have to live in. If so i'm in aggreement.

yes, and as such i have no desire to gloat at there social fuck ups. For example that kid who got sent down for the smashing up of the holocaust survivor graves in birmingham was really just a mixed up kid, a cock, but still more a victim if anything else, just went and shat his life downt he toliet like so many other working class kids do through, drugs or crime, only difference is he decided to put some political drabes on his anti social tendencies.

You've lost me, where's the gloating?

cept he probably will be by his family and others who aren't cold hearted arseholes.

seriously leave that type of journalism to the fucking SUN.