politics, heroin and the working class
May 12 2005 11:30
A book has been launched in Dublin about heroin, working class communites fight back and the states response I will pick up a copy of the book tomorrow.
May 12 2005 12:58
#2
Go for it, hope it's a good read 
May 12 2005 20:34
#3
Will you go for hard or soft back?
I like my books like my drugs, generally soft unless its something I have no intention of taking outside my home!
May 27 2005 16:25
#4
if I had your brains oi I would be dangerous
I suppose you would be one of these liberal wankers who would endorse the scum of drug barons of Heroin crack, cocaine.
to make their living as mudering parasites, of the backs of families from working class communities. living in inner cities flats complexes. Drug addicts and people who are forced to sell their bodies.
Yesterday in Dublin two of these scum involved in the drugs trade Hopkins and Griffin were gunned bown while attempting to rob a post office. One of them brought their girlfriend in on the act.
One of this gangs member were involved in a investigation of sexual assaut against children from working class community.
We should be standing with communities proud of working class fight and history rather than giving any respect to parasites of the drugs trade. and their liberal apolgists
One would encourage them to keep shooting each other.
May 27 2005 16:28
#5
Well under a non-capitalist society this would solve your problem with drug barons which is where your objection seems to be or are you suggesting we don't allow people to choose for themselves which toxins they will be allowed to ingest in an anarchist society?
May 27 2005 16:37
#6
Con Carroll wrote:
I suppose you would be one of these liberal wankers...their liberal apolgists...
That's a lot to assume from one jibe by Oi! about soft drugs 
May 27 2005 16:44
#7
Oi! wrote:
Well under a non-capitalist society this would solve your problem with drug barons which is where your objection seems to be or are you suggesting we don't allow people to choose for themselves which toxins they will be allowed to ingest in an anarchist society?
Why would smack be produced in an anarchist society? It's not as if it comes out of nowhere, or that people just grow opium for a laugh.
May 27 2005 16:57
#8
People could have a back garden or allotment full of poppies, why not?
May 27 2005 17:30
#9
Con Carroll wrote:
if I had your brains oi I would be dangerousI suppose you would be one of these liberal wankers who would endorse the scum of drug barons of Heroin crack, cocaine.
to make their living as mudering parasites, of the backs of families from working class communities. living in inner cities flats complexes. Drug addicts and people who are forced to sell their bodies.
Yesterday in Dublin two of these scum involved in the drugs trade Hopkins and Griffin were gunned bown while attempting to rob a post office. One of them brought their girlfriend in on the act.
One of this gangs member were involved in a investigation of sexual assaut against children from working class community.
We should be standing with communities proud of working class fight and history rather than giving any respect to parasites of the drugs trade. and their liberal apolgists
One would encourage them to keep shooting each other.
Well said,those who romanticise drug pushers as "pushing aginst the system" should have there teeth ripped out.I have seen the degridation and the the heart ripped out of w/c communtiys due to these " Free marketers".
If i get called a recatinary for this then i am pround to be a reactionary.
May 27 2005 18:26
#10
I never romanticised drug pushers but was merely stating that if someone wants to shove smack in themselves they will.
May 27 2005 19:06
#11
Oi! wrote:
I never romanticised drug pushers but was merely stating that if someone wants to shove smack in themselves they will.
Your near as damn it saying that,Cracks not a bottle of lucozade is it.Your arguement could applie to child moletsres,give them freedom to abuse cos if want to have sex with children they will.
Crack has decimated a whole section of the w/c its comparble to a genocide.
May 27 2005 19:51
#12
Con Carroll wrote:
A book has been launched in Dublin about heroin, working class communites fight back and the states response I will pick up a copy of the book tomorrow.
Just got the book (cheers Con!) looks v interesting, will read it over ther next couple of weeks.
May 27 2005 20:19
#13
Yes, and people's children from defunct mining communities enjoy it ffs!
May 28 2005 02:19
#14
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
People could have a back garden or allotment full of poppies, why not?
Yea, if they want a punishment beating.
May 28 2005 03:14
#15
Oi! wrote:
I never romanticised drug pushers but was merely stating that if someone wants to shove smack in themselves they will.
taking heroin is the equivalent of an 'illness' as far as i'm concerned and while addicts ideally would be treated in clinics with proper morphone based detox programs, but pushers have to be physically isolated and/or driven out of communities, even if a few of them are victims to some extent, how else is the working class TODAY supposed to deal with hard drugs?
I mean if your a pusher, you're scabbing on the working class effectively. Now a scab is a member of our class, and likely to be just as much a victim as anyone else, but you can't just let them break a strike.
May 28 2005 05:18
#16
morphine detox's are shit; its more addictive than smack. theres a psychoactive drug called xeno somehting or other which takes away nearly all of the cold turkey but drug companies dont want to release it cos they can make a lot more money from shoving morphine down people's throats. But yeah, morphine aint the answer.
May 28 2005 08:45
#17
I know a lot on here are ambervilent about the i.w.c.a but this encapsulets a lot of what i think
May 28 2005 10:16
#18
good article oisleep.
Quote:
All the libertarian talk about allowing people to indulge in whatever takes their fancy falls down when decisions to opt for a life of drug induced oblivion have very real and drastic consequences for working class communities. Drug abuse is not an issue of personal choice - it has serious consequences for the community at large.
although i would disagree with this statement, as it paints libertarians as indivualists, who place no importance in community.
May 28 2005 10:23
#19
gav wrote:
good article oisleep.Quote:
All the libertarian talk about allowing people to indulge in whatever takes their fancy falls down when decisions to opt for a life of drug induced oblivion have very real and drastic consequences for working class communities. Drug abuse is not an issue of personal choice - it has serious consequences for the community at large.although i would disagree with this statement, as it paints libertarians as indivualists, who place no importance in community.
Oisleep?
May 28 2005 10:41
#20
So whats the actual name of this book anyway? Is it any good?
May 28 2005 10:52
#21
jack white wrote:
So whats the actual name of this book anyway? Is it any good?
Pushers Out, the inside story of Dublin's anti-drugs movement by Andre Lyder (Trafford, £13.50)
I'll know if its any good when I read it!
May 28 2005 11:04
#22
Diocletianus wrote:
Oisleep?
sorry, i meant you 
May 28 2005 12:07
#23
gav wrote:
Diocletianus wrote:
Oisleep?sorry, i meant you
you guys are always conflating things
May 28 2005 12:26
#24
oisleep wrote:
gav wrote:
Diocletianus wrote:
Oisleep?sorry, i meant you
you guys are always conflating things
Its all that hotstuff they pump in there viens.
May 28 2005 14:16
#25
gav wrote:
good article...although i would disagree with this statement, as it paints libertarians as indivualists, who place no importance in community.
Most people think 'free marketeer' or 'extreme liberal' when they hear the word 'libertarian. It only has a specific socialist meaning to a very, very few.
And BTW, I'm not ambivalient towards the IWCA 
May 28 2005 16:21
#26
I will ignore the suggestion that I somehow endorse child abuse by endorsing individual choice relating to drugs(were you drunk?
) I was referring to drug taking in a non-capitalist/anarchist society. Drug pushers being as obsolete as the idea of 'profit.
Didn't realise I would be told what I can and can't ingest! Please sir, can I have some beer/weed/mushies/coffee
May 28 2005 16:31
#27
Oi! wrote:
I will ignore the suggestion that I somehow endorse child abuse by endorsing individual choice relating to drugs(were you drunk?Didn't realise I would be told what I can and can't ingest! Please sir, can I have some beer/weed/mushies/coffee
I am not some bann happy sourpuss,they is a world of diffrence between having the odd smoke or pernod and injesting foul crack.
And for your info they is no "non-capitalist/anarchist society" yet,so differnt rules apply.
My comparison with child abuse is apt,you put your hand up a girls skirt whos 21 and get away with it but not fuck a 10 yr old.They is a differnces of degree.
May 28 2005 16:32
#28
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
Most people think 'free marketeer' or 'extreme liberal' when they hear the word 'libertarian. It only has a specific socialist meaning to a very, very few.
Indeed, which was my argument against the renaming of this site. Still, perhaps I will be proved wrong....
Thanks for letting us know.