primitivism

where do ya start?

these people are delusional, dangerous and fuckin' insane. Maybe I'm being too harsh and they aren't really that dangerous at all - although I'd argue that the very association of these people with 'anarchism' makes the work of every libertarian communist that much harder.

C'mon this forum is called libcom not fucking flintstones are us (although thats probably too harsh on the technologically advanced flintstones)

I reckon its already hard enough to get others involved in building resistance in our workplaces and communities. In work against water privatisation the usual muppets have shown up - covered in plastic bags, demanding water meters (so the poor can police their own use of water ) mild though compared to the nob at the back of a meeting a few years back saying 'we' can't (and won't) feed the cities. And this is all very mild compared to notions about the inherently oppressive nature of civilisation, technology, and humanity, talk of re-wilding, dumpster diving (as something ideological - its been called bin hoking for years and lots of people went and continue to go to the dump to try and find stuff they could recycle, no-one ever thought it would 'hurt capitalism' though, most ordinary folk aren't that stupid), the need for massive de-population (that means welcoming some sorta catastrophic disaster or war that wipes out millions of people)... Need I go on? These fuckers don't seem to know jack shit about the lives and concerns of 'ordinary' people. I hate them. Their 'ideology' is anti-human and deserves nothing but contempt.

Someone did show up at the recent Fascists Out Campaign picket in Belfast that got the Nationalist Alliance Private Mail Box shut down who went around telling people on the picket that they were being typically 'white supremacist' while taking action to hinder the organisational ability of white supremacists - this nob is into dumpster diving and Crimethinc and subvertising and all that post modernist bollox as well.

Sorry Jack that probably wasn't the most coherant or intellectual of arguments but fuck is that even necessary? From 'Green Anarchist', to the misogynist and right wing 'Alternative Green' (is this still going?) to Zerzan and the rest these fucks don't really deserve the effort expended on them. Its not anarchism its pish.

Surely this has been done to death on here?

Preston SF got sent a copy of Green Anarchist a while back with a snotty letter. It read like Christian Fundamentalist crap. One of our members sent it back with a terse note.

Just forget them they are irrelevant.

What sort of academic pish have you studied at university? You really need to examine the political motivation behind lots of theories around sub-cultures that get peddled.

I mean "gangsta rap" is a musical genre and has a certain following with identifiable characteristics but can it be seen as a sub-culture that is harming working class communities? - many of the musicians claim that their music reflects the conditions that they experienced (or pretend they experienced). You cannot blame any particular genre of music on anti-social behaviour, self-obsession or on damage done to working class communities. Lets blame Ghost Town on de-industrialisation will we?

"drug abuse culture" fer fuck sake JDMF - this is a figment of a deranged imagination - drug 'abuse' and addiction is not a sub-culture. Just as alcoholism is not a sub-culture.

Nor is being working class a sub culture, now I know you didn't claim that but in terms of (sociologically defined) middle class norms and values some social science theories treat it like it is. Libertarian Communisim is not a sub-culture either, its a political outlook and set of ideas, libertarian communists can and are involved in sub-cultures but it really isn't one. And it doesn't have enough common ground with primitivism to support yer theory.

Cheers;

edited a couple of times to try and make my sentences make sense.

i rekon drug (abuse) culture, and alcaholism are definatly sub-cultures. What about raves, hippies, whinos etc It makes it extra hard to give up drug use partly to do with the substance and partly to do with identity and lifestlye that you lose.

Also- being working class may not be a sub -culture of the type as drug users but what about cultural capital? As in definining and depriving, especially in the form of education. thats education not intellegence.

I guess sub is alternative and mostly choice based whereas being working class is not. ? Foucualt wirtes some weird stuff on the relationship of the oppressed/ opressors though I'm scared to read it at the moment.

Sorry about the tangent.