Riots in Budapest demand government's resignation

Submitted by BB on 19 September, 2006 - 10:11.

JK. In reference to the news post, is it a copy an paste, or did you write it?

19 September, 2006 - 10:22

i wrote it from corporate sources (reuters & bbc mostly), trying to read between the lines a bit

19 September, 2006 - 10:27

Cool, i was asking because i don't know anything about whats happening. It was the makeup of the protests i was thinking about, and how much the far-right are involved, is it just overplayed, by the main news sources. Neither would come as a surprise for me.

19 September, 2006 - 10:53

yeah i honestly don't know. but from what i can tell even the national flags are not ubiquitous, let alone the far-right, who seem to be about as relevant as the BNP were on the anti-war marches.

the only poll so far (a snap poll of 500) shows the country split down the middle on whether the government should go. if the protests grow its clearly not a far-right thing, since they're pretty marginal. if they don't its likely to just bolster the opposition parties ahead of the upcoming local elections.

another possibility, which is pure conjecture at the moment, would be that the mysterious leaking of the 'we lied' tape is part of another 'orange revolution' type effort by the CIA (or an emulation by a rival intelligence agency etc).

I wouldn't be surpised in any case - but certainly with people chanting '56!, 56!' and burning down a government building there might possibilities there, though of course there is certainly a way for nationalists to try and recuperate '56 as a national liberation uprising as opposed to a proletarian insurrection ...

i'll have to keep an eye on this i think - but of course if things get interesting this time there's no-one around to send in the tanks ...

19 September, 2006 - 10:58
Joseph K. wrote:
i'll have to keep an eye on this i think

Cool. Good on ya!

Joseph K. wrote:
but of course if things get interesting this time there's no-one around to send in the tanks ...

"Cocktails for Gyurcsany’s" not got quite the same ring to it, a bit of a "whoosh" though.

19 September, 2006 - 11:06

Seeing as the current 'socialist' government in Hungary is pretty bang on neo-liberal I don't see what reason the CIA would have for interfering.

19 September, 2006 - 11:17
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
Seeing as the current 'socialist' government in Hungary is pretty bang on neo-liberal I don't see what reason the CIA would have for interfering.

yeah i agree, though i wouldn't rule out eg a russian copycat, i don't see what strategic significance hungary would have, unlike the caspian states

the other factor of course is that in the liar tape he talks of the neccessity for painful economic reforms (i.e. neoliberalism/thatcherism) - so the reaction in the streets is quite possibly against that too, and not just the shocking fact that politicians are liars wink

19 September, 2006 - 13:45

This is a bit of a bolt from the blue really. I mean, if Blair admitted to lying the public would simply go "DUH!". I'm guessing Eastern Europe has more of a post-Soviet consensus about liberal democracy, and thus invest more faith in it. Which then would indicate that whatever the result of this, the proletariat would mature somewhat.

Or does that sound too determinist?

19 September, 2006 - 14:02

well there's probably some of that (illusions in politicians etc), but also the underlying anger about neoliberal policies etc. imagine if thatcher had admitted lying about the finances to justify pit closures in '85 or something ...

19 September, 2006 - 14:16

Very good Joseph. Excellently politicised. wink

19 September, 2006 - 14:21

propaganda's my thang, apparently wink

19 September, 2006 - 14:51
Alan wrote:
This is a bit of a bolt from the blue really. I mean, if Blair admitted to lying the public would simply go "DUH!". I'm guessing Eastern Europe has more of a post-Soviet consensus about liberal democracy, and thus invest more faith in it. Which then would indicate that whatever the result of this, the proletariat would mature somewhat.

Or does that sound too determinist?

I don't think thats the case really. I'm no expert on Hungary, but I'd say that Eastern Europe has a level of cynicism that matches up to most of Western Europe.

19 September, 2006 - 16:54

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5359574.stm

BBC *Business Reporter* wrote:
Despite greater freedoms, many Hungarians feel they have been marginalised and left behind in a fast-changing nation as a small and powerful elite get richer at their expense ... Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, one of the biggest problems facing governments in former Eastern Bloc countries has been how to marry the expectations of the electorate with the harsh realities of running free-market economies

eek

19 September, 2006 - 19:57
Alan wrote:
I mean, if Blair admitted to lying the public would simply go "DUH!".

That's why I'm glad I live in the US, where our government never lies... black bloc

19 September, 2006 - 20:47

grin

welcome to the boards CoeXist tongue

19 September, 2006 - 21:37

Hi

Joseph K. wrote:
well there's probably some of that (illusions in politicians etc), but also the underlying anger about neoliberal policies etc. imagine if thatcher had admitted lying about the finances to justify pit closures in '85 or something ...

You’d have thought so. We’ll no doubt soon find out by gauging their reaction to the even more rightwing Hungarian Civic Union, who stand to gain most from this Ratneresque episode.

Love

LR

19 September, 2006 - 22:14

The man to watch here is Hungarian George Soros and his Open Society Foundation.

I had a glance at his website earlier, but he seemed to be keeping schtum.

20 September, 2006 - 05:44

good point.

Second night of violence in Budapest
just demos riots at the time being, which may bring down the government but will only let in the even more neoliberal opposition ...

20 September, 2006 - 10:45

Thought people might be interested in [url=http://www.ainfos.ca/06/jul/ainfos00252.html] text I just found, written in July of this year by a Hungarian anarchist group called 'Barricade'. It's a decent class-struggle oriented overview of the situation then and seems highly relevant to the present state of affairs.

I emailed them asking for a few notes on the present situation if they could find the time; I'll post up anything they send.

20 September, 2006 - 10:53

nice one si, i'll check out the link later

20 September, 2006 - 23:20
21 September, 2006 - 18:59

Here's another link from the "Barricades" group. http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=363 from Anarkismo. They have a real good class analyses from what I can tell. I especially like the jokes.

Here's another link to the "September 18 group". I have no other information of them other than this 10 point "platform" from them. http://www.indymedia.hu/cikk.shtml?

admin edit - really, really long url edited - try tinyurl.com ;)

22 September, 2006 - 15:25

From an email I received today from the Barricades collective:

"We have former publications about the general political-economical situation in Hungary entitled The reality of nightmare and Beyond the Carpathians the nightmare begins. The third part of this work is Spend your blood. From these you can get a general picture about the situation. These are available: www.anarcom.lapja.hu
We will write a short report about the present situation too. Shortly: Fascists are rageing in the streets, demanding another government. The real class discontent is toeing the line of nationalism."

"The september 18 group is a social democrat group with confused demands. We think that it has nothing to do with anarchism and class struggle."

25 September, 2006 - 22:56

A reasonably interesting piece from (so far as I can tell) some Korean paper.

It's got some nice detail in the first few sections but rapidly gets pretty dull and irrelevant once the guy starts voicing opinions and 'critique'.

here

26 September, 2006 - 05:19

that article is weird ... it says there was a marked difference in the rioters between monday and tues/weds ... on monday the graffiti compared the cops to stalinists while on tues/weds it was explicitly anarchist with circled a's - and the tues/weds crowd was far more skinheads and football hooligans going round spraying anarchist logos :? sounds like typical ignorant conflation of fascists and anarchists as the same thing (violent threats to liberal-capitalist democracy) - either that or politicos of all stripes joined the party late after the mass monday riot ...

26 September, 2006 - 08:54

yeah, reading it again this morning it's not quite as convincing. wink

26 September, 2006 - 09:23

thnak for the link to the barricade website.

well worth checking out -

some interesting history items.

26 September, 2006 - 22:35

New text from the barricades collecgtive. Not sure if it's on the net yet so here it is in full. The english is a bit rough but you'll get the idea - I just emailed back asking if he wanted a hand cleaning it up a bit. Maybe there'll be a revised version in a few days.

I think I'll publish this for the bookfair and do donations, too - apparently they're pretty badly short of money atm. Their distro point is badly in debt etc.

anyway:

Rouse?!

The left-wing-liberal bourgeoisie have continued the chess game with a wrong move. The prime minister’s confession, which had passed in May at a meeting of the MSZP faction (Hungarian Socialist Party) was published, wherein he announced that his party had won the elections with falsehood and it’s time they politicized frankly and full of responsible. Previously they had communicated much better data about the Hungarian economics than the real situation was. In our previous text entitled Spend your blood! we had described the „new” exploiting measures of the government. Some of them have already become operative, others will be implemented in the near future. But we have to clarify why the social democrat-liberal bloc is enforced to take these steps.

The Gurcsány-government had wanted to delude us that their economic policy is sustainable while they had been opposed to the general capitalist trend. In the last years they had increased the wages, had given old-age pension for the 13rd month, had made the living wage untaxed, had been sponsoring the enterprises (for example the BKV-Budapest Transport Company and MÁV-Hungarian State Railway – We have to go work somehow after all!) operating with deficit. The government had been playing at being a welfare state while due to the pressure of the international moving of capital they should have taken opposite measures. The deficit of the state estimate is over 20 thousand milliard forints, which is the 60% of the Hungarian GDP. The deficit of the budget is more than the 10% of the Hungarian GDP and in this way the bourgeoisie in Hungary can’t join the Euro-zone and can’t get financial support from the EU. The MSZP (Hungarian Socialist Party) had wanted to win the elections and seemingly had wanted to answer the working class, too and thus they had run into debt. The so-called „welfare functions” add up 60% of the budget and the expenses of the operation of the state add up 12%. But till the elections they were croaking that the level of the deficit of the budget was acceptable.

Then the „penitent” confession arrived like a bolt form the blue. The government has to implement restrictions to gain more money, so they have to explain for the working class why they are going to rot our life. The right-wing opposition, which flirts with the fascists directly, had based his strategy on the economic data given by the government and had promised Canaan. So they had lied just as their social democrat copy. We don’t moralize on the dirty practices of the bourgeoisie, because we think that falsification, lies, manipulation are basic instruments of the ruling class, requirements of the bourgeois class terror. The bourgeoisie, however, were taken short by the reaction of the mass, because they thought that the mass acclimatized totally to the bipolar political régime. It’s visible that this is only a half-truth, so their consciousness-industry is not effective enough. We can see that neither the government nor the opposition expected that the wave of discontent would in part sweep over them. In the last decades the bourgeoisie and their organizations had become very confident, their dirty democracy had cradled the working class and had outlawed the social struggle, the direct conflicts with the power from the streets. They had considered the working class in Hungary totally idiot and had presumed that the exploited would accept all their lies what they tell in their fancy house, in the parliament.

The democrats of the oppostion seemingly condemn the bloody events in the streets, but in secret they back the revolters who are usually enfired by fascist organizations like Jobbik Magyarországért Mozgalom (Movement for Right Hungary), 64 Vármegye Ifjúsági Mozgalom (64 Hundreds Youth Movement). On the other hand they got frightened because they lost control over the right-wing mass and due to this, by now there are struggles between the fascists and the state. The voice of the real class struggle is damped by the nostalgic nationalism of the Székely-hymn and for the present the outlet of exploitation dissolves into pseudo-revolutionary nationalist comedy. Fascism is using those members of the working class who are demanding immediate change of régime / of power to lenghten the counter-revolutionary period. Pseudo-Mussolinies are roaring their speeches. The people don’t outcast them but they don’t identify themselves totally with the spokesmen. Thousands of people have been demonstrating but there were serious street fightings with the police only on Monday and on Tuesday. By now only the reformist demands of the trade unions, the democratic demonstrations of the student self-government and the actual nationalist-fascist events answered the present situation – while the exploited people are in the streets after all. On the other hand it’s conspicuous that there are no social demands, protestive voices at all thus the conflict deflects from the direct exploitation and only focuses on the clash between the government and the opposition. The demonstrators declared that they would use roadblocks and civil disobedience to exert an influence on the government.

Parts of Ferenc Gyurcsány’s cretin, „penitent”, but denunciative confession was published on 17th of September. Afterwards the whole speech was published. On that day the mass started to demonstrate in front of the parliament with their national clouts and were shouting slogans reffering to the speech of the prostitute of capital with some changes: „You fucked up!”, „You fucked up!”. Then they demanded the resignation of the government: „Get away with Gyurcsány!”. There were other demands, too: „Change of régime!”, „Call off!”, „Down with Trianon peace-treaty!”. Some people from the mass went to the hall of the state television and wanted to advertise their demands. The mass, directed by boneheads (fascist skins), laid siege to the building. The different groups of football hooligans, who are irreconcilable enemies in general, united their strength. They inveighed against Jews and most of the people shouted together: „Down with Trianon peace-treaty!”, „Down with Trianon peace-treaty!”. The singing of the national anthem, nationalist slogans from the revolution of 1956 and national flags celebrated these events. There were a lot of Hungarist flags with the colours of House of Árpád (it had been the sign of the first Hungarian dynasty and later was used by the Hungarian nazis in the time of World War II.). Near to the spot the demonstrators damaged the Soviet memorial, too. They were not monolithic, because some of them observed that it shouldn’t be done. The police were totally unprovided, were standing blankly and tried to defend the hall of the state television, but they were not able to arrest the fuglemen. They were not so full-mouthed as usually, because they were not superior in numbers.

If there were pure class struggle in the streets, the fascists would fight united with the police against us! It’s a civil war in the literal sense of the word. The voice of the class struggle is damped, while one stratum of the working class is striking and keeping up the walls of alienation. The nationalism of self-confining is mixing the fascist with the right-wing mass who could recognize the manipulation of the bourgeoisie and would become conscious of their proletarian existence. Now they only maintain capitalism, because they are taken in by politics and media manipulation and they take the nationalist myths as a basis instead of their injured life. They still believe in the opposition which only wants to govern and exploit us just as the social democrats. They can achieve it only by the legal voting of the mass. Nevertheless the first three floors of the television hall were looted. It’s not done only by fascists but homeless people, old ladies, students, punks, roma. They whacked up the loot taken from the smashed buffet, cigarettes, coolers became free of charge. It’s so that the looting was done mostly by the poor since it’s the tradition of the proletariat not of the counter-revolution. The spirit of the revolution shot through the nationalist night in this way at least. Several policemen were injured but finally things were settling into shape.

The next day, on Tuesday the revolters, led by fascist groups, attacked the police at Blaha Lujza square. One of their target was the hall of the MSZP (Hungarian Socialist Party). Their slogans were: „Treasonists!”, „Ry-Ry, Hungary!”. The police were more alert, there were a lot of provided riot squads. They started to arrest the revolters by the former tv recordings and photos. The police atrocity were increasing, they attacked the passive viewers if they were bored. Meanwhile the student demonstration against the university tuition and the electoral gathering of the party in opposition Fidesz (Alliance of Young Democrats) were put off. Bay day hundreds of people, nightly thousands of people have been demonstrating against the government. They are demanding conventional assembly and new elections. There are demonstrations in the country towns, too, for example in Szeged, Miskolc, Debrecen, Szombathely, Győr, Zalaegerszeg. On Wednesday there were less revolters in the streets, the police were superiror in numbers. A matter of 150 revolters were arrested, 500 persons have been looked for yet. There are several injured persons, 138 of them are policemen.

The politicians and the media continue their manipulations when they state that „anarchist dirty lot” are raging in the streets. The fascists, behind them their own bourgeoisie, came alive. They are spreading illusions of 1956, because they want to expropriate the heritage of the communist revolution in order to make it out as a nationalist event. They are shouting their slogans with this in view. The right-wing politician and the „heaven-born peoples” are hoping together for the promising future of the nation meanwhile the government and the opposition have been continuing their electoral campaign. The situation has livened up, there remains no more but to wake the proletariat up during the „nights of long knives”…

Barricade Collective

September 2006

26 September, 2006 - 22:39

Their 'appeal', which the barricades guy sent me after I asked how things were financially. Not good apparently sad

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Hello,

In this letter we ask help in the name of class
solidarity. Answer us, please! The problem is, that
the Gondolkodó Antikvárium movement distributing place
(bookshop) has to pay the dept, which was accumulated
when it was located in the Ó utca (Ó street). The dept
is equal to 600.000 forints (about 2.400 euros). If
the state court of justice will carry out the
judgement then the one activist working in the
Gondolkodó can be imprisoned, his flat can be sold by
auction, his family can be evicted. And in this case,
the present place of Gondolkodó must also be closed!
That would be a huge loss also to the movement in
Hungary! We ask you to give financial help in order to
solve that situation. We are in close contact to
Gondolkodó, and we support them with this request.

If you can help, if internationalist solidarity is
important for you, then give help to Gondolkodó! Send
as much as you can to this account:

Baki László

OTP Bank Rt. folyószámlaszáma

IBAN :HU 83 1177 3023 0009 3516 0000 0000

Swift Code:

OTP VHUHB

We know that usually the movements, groups are poor,
but even that’s why support each other! Thanks!

Greetings,

Barricade Collective

PS: Please, pass this help call on, if you can!