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Dec 23 2006 00:27
Where the fuck????

Where the fuck is the Christmas TV Times entry I spent an eon typing out this am AND I posted about in Feedback (on the previous TV Times thread?? ) Is it lost "in the system" and if so can it be retrieved cos it took ages...and if you just haven't had a chance to edit it a bit and add in the pic - well - that is OK -but could someone post here to say that please - as I had the grace - and wherewithal - to post saying I'd sent this feature - the least anyone can do is acknowledge what I have done.. yes I know it is Christmas and you are all busy - but that is why also it was a struggle for me to find the time also but as I have the least you can do is respond...

Yours Annoyedly but Still With High Regard for Libcom

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PS PLEASE please say it is still there...somewhere.... sad

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Dec 23 2006 00:39

Everything that gets submitted goes to a "Moderate" list, so the managerial hero class of libcom can mediate it and decide what goes through wink

It should come through soon.

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Dec 23 2006 02:22

Yeah I know but wot if it is lost....and there was no work to be done on it really except adding in a pic.. (it is hardly a rewrite of "Capital" wink ) so it should have gone up as quickly as last week and I am just worried John or whoever may not have seen it cos he was so quick off the draw last week and went on to do all that less urgent stuff this week instead..that is why I am worried it is lost for ever in some sort of awful internet Bermuda Triangle.. and it took aaaaages!!! Help!!! Thanks for reaching out to me in the night tho Madas.. the deep, dark, night etc etc.. wink

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Dec 23 2006 02:47

Relax, Lone wolf - it's in Moderate, I can see it. (I have some access cos I put stuff in News and library). They'll deal with it in the morning. So you recommend, amongst other stuff, Dracula and some tacky Channel 5 doc - Private Parts - the Trouble with My Penis - men's problems with infected penile piercings etc - choice... :biggrin:

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Dec 23 2006 03:11

Thanks Ret!!!! I am just glad it has not been lost - what a relief!!! So good you can access it - you and other peeps seem to have some permissions and a blog etc which I am yet to have even tho I am submitting this TV Guide now -(not that that is my main reason for doing it - it is a nice task - apart from this weeks) tho it is pretty low-rent stuff so I may have to pull a rabbit out of the hat and submit something weightier..which I find a bit daunting as I am not as super-brainy as some of the peeps on here.. sad

Er.. yeah the selections are a bit desperate I know but have you SEEN the tv guides for this week...it is pretty desperate stuff.. if this was the best I could do, imagine what my rejections were like..it was a LOT harder than last week when there was a bit more proper programming..You know it must be a desperate week when Channel 5 gets more than one mention.. eek

The Dracula thing is cos LOADS of peeps on this site have gone on about how much they like vampires before and the penis thing cos peeps have talked of penile infections on here and one talked about an infected piercing once..so there is SOME method in my madness....I can justify all my selections based on stuff more than one poster has said in the past at least...and come on, the surfing/skating docs sound well cool and at least the Parallel Universes one is on at the same time as the Penis one.. so I guess that will be your REAL dilemma, Ret.. black bloc Now that IS a choice - the universe - or your penis..guess I may not want to know what your choice will be.. tongue wink

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Dec 23 2006 11:18

I haven't approved it because it is written in such an informal style, it isn't really appropriate. Its also pretty much apolitical, so not really suitable for the news section. Sorry LW

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Dec 23 2006 21:09

Ouch!!

1. So the CW page was always written in a highly formal style then?? (It wasn't)

2. Would you say the TV Guide finds its most appropriate home in "News" anyway?? I would say probably not..as it by its very nature.. of lighter content and depth then "proper news"..perhaps there is some kind of other section it could go in...After all newspapers do not mix in media reviews with serious news cos it does look strange.. what alternatives are there??

3. Also it seems like quite a popular feature..3-400 hits per week - both my version AND the CW one - so did you not think some posters might like to have seen it??? Do you consider lc is such a weak site it would be diluted by an informal tv guide in Christmas week??? Cos if you do think it is that weak and useless you may be glad to know that I don't and nor do most of the other regular posters I am sure...

2. And have you seen the depth of political programming on tv this week.. er.. there isn't any... which is the standard for Christmas week programming on tv... (couldn't see any except for the morals prog. which I did point out..)

3. It is Christmas ffs..it is a week of politics light programming therefore a "light" TV Guide is in keeping...
Christ I didn't realise you guys were so anal...

4. The style seemed to be OK last week..

5. Is it really worth being this picky about a light article on a light subject in Christmas week..produced by a new contributor who could do with a bit of encouragement when surely the "higher" goal should be encouraging new contributors..and not just me ..other peeps reading this may hesitate to make their fledgeling contribution if they see the Christmas TV Guide rejected ffs.. do you think this is likely to encourage nervous newbies from contributing..it won't..or do you wonder why new peeps are reluctant to contribute and no women contribute anything ever except Zobag on occasion and she is admin..But you prob. don't wonder.. or care.. which is a shame if you are serious about expanding lc..And if you come out with the "not in keeping" thing again I will seriously have to wonder if this is truly the response of a youthful libcom admin/team and not that of an elderly fundamentalist(s) who wants to preserve a conservative power base no matter what the cost to humour, creativity, inclusion, encouragement or healthy expansion..the day before Christmas!!!!!! Christ on a bike...this worries me particularly the wider implications...

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PS Just to clarify - I am not really expecting a response to this post - it is just good to have a chance to post what i feel..I think it would be hard for you guys to provide a rational response as yer original act wasn't based on rationality IMO..Tho obv. you may THINK it is..you just acted from a narrow viewpoint not taking into account all the wider aspects I mentioned - time of year, lack of programme content in the week in question ,need to be encouraging etc.

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Dec 23 2006 23:48

calm down LW.
Fair enough you put work into it, but if it's not right then it's not right.

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Dec 24 2006 00:04

i was going to respond to your points, but then i read this and thought 'why bother?'

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or do you wonder why new peeps are reluctant to contribute and no women contribute anything ever except Zobag on occasion and she is admin..But you prob. don't wonder.. or care.. which is a shame if you are serious about expanding lc

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calm down LW.
Fair enough you put work into it, but if it's not right then it's not right.

I wouldn't have minded putting work into something that was later deemed to be "not right"..that is the risk you take when submitting something.. but my point is that there would BE no "right" version in a week when there is lil/ no appropriate programming to report in the "right" manner.. IYSWIM..

Also being told what is "right" or not on a day when Octave is allowed to indulge his anal fantasies unhindered and with my concerns unanswered is a red rag to a bull..
It is just not proportionate..

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Dec 24 2006 00:23
gav wrote:
i was going to respond to your points, but then i read this and thought 'why bother?'

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or do you wonder why new peeps are reluctant to contribute and no women contribute anything ever except Zobag on occasion and she is admin..But you prob. don't wonder.. or care.. which is a shame if you are serious about expanding lc

Hey

Thats a shame - you are upset about these comments and I can understand that...and i know there has been no intention to want to exclude anyone - femme or otherwise, newbie or otherwise - I am only concerned about how it may LOOK to peeps who may be nervous about wanting to have a greater say.. IYSWIM...I am just well aware that loads more peeps read threads than post on them..and this (to me anyway) petty decision on a day when Octave hasn't been banned for his anal comments has just..well it has well freaked me out..and it would be disingenuous for me not to say anything at all.. cos I could disappear from lc.. but that would be a shame..cos i really like and rate lc or i would just bugger off..if I didn't think it was worth saying something I wouldn't bother..so we are bound to disagree on stuff from time to time.. like the TV Guide and Octave..that doesn't mean i would give up on lc..I just..it has been a hard combo for me today..and i DO still think it is hard for a minority POV to be heard on lc from time to time (and by this I mean my concerns about the anal sex comments - not the TV Guide thing ..and I know you haven't ventured an opinion about Octave - not saying you have - just these two events on one day has caused me to question the prioritisation of values on lc..and you can't blame me for that..cos it IS well bizarre...)

In Solidarity

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Dec 24 2006 01:35

Right was gonna post this earlier but my internet fucked up and I got a phone call etc so sorry if its a bit late.

First off LW, maybe we did fuck up with regards encouraging you, as a new poster, to contribute. We probably could've done more to tell you what you could've changed rather than just ignore it. That's a fuck up on our part and you're right, we probably should take a more pro-active role in encouraging new posters to contribute. Fuck, anything that takes the pressure of contributing off us would be great! grin

Also, don't feel bad about having stuff rejected from news. It happens. I've had news articles taken off by other admins just like I've had stuff rejected from Freedom (fuck, maybe I'm just shite at all this news lark!). Of course we should probably have told you more quickly what our problem with it was rather than just wait for you to complain but again, that was our fuck up. Eventually we'll get a proper swish customer services section set up! wink

At the same time, I don't think its fair that you pull out the sexist card on us. I mean, do you really think that you being a woman is of any relevance to us not putting up your TV Times? Would you prefer if we had a quota of articles to be posted by women to redress the balance? At the moment, the amount of articles posted by women reflects the amount of female users which libcom has which in turn reflects the amount of women involved in libertarian communist politics in the UK in general. Sadly sad

Secondly, of all the TV shows you list, three of them are political. Of course its a light article but the lightness should be contained, IMO, in the fact that it centres around TV shows. The only relevance it would have to this site is the fact that the shows are in some way political. I mean, I could post up Arsenal match reports but I don't think it'd be particularly relevant to libcom.

Similarly, if there isn't much political stuff to put on then maybe its not necessary to do a TV Times that week. I mean, its fucking ace that you want to do it but you're not on commission (though one day, when we get proper big...smile ), you haven't got to churn out something each week. If there's not much on that would interest libertarian communists in particular (rather than just people in general), then I don't think one needs to be made.

Anyway, sorry if you felt hard done by, that wasn't the intention. If you want to contribute more stuff in future then that'd still really be great but at the same time we still want to be able to reject articles that we don't think are right for the site. Hopefully though in future we'll deal with it better at our end!

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Revol

ermm .. no idea what the last sentence was referring to.. Captain Mission?? Random??? We will just have to agree to disgree on this one Revol cos I think PTI's comments were of a different nature entirely - a banter noone would need to feel fragile about..but the anal sex thing was lifted straight out of the pages of the "Peaches" Section in Club International..and er..this is not a porn site!!! And she doesn't have that kinda bantering rel. with O that maybe you and I share, Revol..IMO anyways.. we will have to see what she feels if she comes back.. but I doubt if she will be thrilled tbh...

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ermm .. no idea what the last sentence was referring to.. Captain Mission?? Random??? We will just have to agree to disgree on this one Revol cos I think PTI's comments were of a different nature entirely - a banter noone would need to feel fragile about..

Are you saying that jokes about sexual prowess (or alleged lack thereof) aren't a touchy subject for some men? Octave went too far, but it wasn't an entirely one sided exchange.

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Dec 24 2006 01:48

Well put Ed.
I've had stuff turned down from news LW and it's just something that happens. I wasn't too pleased to be politely told that a series of articles I'd written were not really relevant. But it isn't personal. You can always do what I have, set up a fantastically unsuccesful blog and stick it to the admins that way smile

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Ed

Ah this is nice -cheers for the reply!!!

Just two things to say - I really really didn't mean to use the femme card - the reason I reacted so strongly to the TV Guide being disallowed is because on the same day I raised concerns on Octaves anal sex posting and this comment of mine was ignored...and he wasn't banned or even pulled up on it and that IS a femme issue...and THAT is what got my goat - this being disallowed on the same day as O being unchallenged - it was that combo that got to me..IYSWIM..I was just concerned that even if unintentional - which I am sure it was!!! - that is a dangerous combo - disallowing a non-controversial femme contribution while allowing an OTT misogynist male poster to continue unhindered - it just looked and felt bad to me...

Also hear what you say that under normal circs non-political content would not be accepted in News - inc. the TV Guide - BUT IT IS CHRISMAS!! Why can't there be a bit of lightness and humour in a week in which even the media sections of the "serious" news press (boo!) take their cue from the season and respond appropriately.. it just seems a lil' puritanical that is all.. are you all secret Cromwellians. grin .and that just didn't dovetail with the anal sex thing...you can see where i am coming from..it just seems like a massive mixed message..which..er.it is.. ;confused:

I just think IMO it was the wrong call cos I think the Guide might have cheered up some peeps this week - distract them a bit from challenging family shenanigans etc.. neutral

But hey overall I really appreciate the sincerity of your response..which I can tell is genuine. tongue . and i really appreciate the apology..which you don't often get from any organsisation... smile

So maybe I will try and contribute something again...I don't know about next weeks news..i mean it is still the hol season...

Anyways thanks for the long and considered response - we will just have to agree to disagree on the Cromwellian/anal sex juxtaposition!!! wink

Love

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"Peaches" Section in Club International..and er..this is not a porn site!!! And she doesn't have that kinda bantering rel. with O that maybe you and I share, Revol..IMO anyways.. we will have to see what she feels if she comes back.. but I doubt if she will be thrilled tbh...

And it's not a crap Loose Women episode either.

face it, Powerto got involved in a flame war and Octavia was clearly just better at it. I mean once you taken onto the topic of dildo's and peoples girlfriends sexual preferences what do you expect?

Revol

Haven't heard of Loose Women confused Sounds cheesy tho - you must watch a lot of cheese TV.. grin

PT "got involved" purely cos O steamed into a thread out of nowhere..and started giving it a load of shit..Who started this whole thing??? roll eyes ..PT was just trying to respond..And O is not "better at it" - just willing to sink far far lower..I wouldn't call that a talent... tongue

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Dec 24 2006 02:09

And the guy loved telling us all how many people he'd glassed, how he'd busted his girlfriend's arm etc...

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it wasn't a femme issue Lone Wolf it was a an issue for everyone,

Exactly!! Which is why the men on here should have taken more of a stand rather than indulging O..I will admit I WAS reluctant to say "femme issue" to Ed bearing this in mind but I did so ONLY to illustrate that that was the way in which I felt femmedom on lc was being ignored.. not the banning of the TV Guide in isolation..just the combo of these two events..i.e allowing O to rant on..

I mean have you heard anyone whinge abouther didlo comment being a homme issue?

Yes. Yes i have.. tongue

The simple fact is that she took it down a path and he showed himself willing to go further, it might not have been tasteful but that's life.

HE created the path - she attempted to divert it - he took it down a new and nastier path - lot of comments are not tasteful Revol but - er - we tend to disallow eg blatant racist and homophobic and fascist posts - and we should also disallow blatant porno ones...

If peeps want to discuss anal sex fantasies that is what the pm feature is for (well not just that reason - obviously!! grin )but i think you will find that would not be a mutual desire for PTI...And the whole thing about porn is around consensus...

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Dec 24 2006 02:14
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Revol - just so you know, you're obviously wrong, and Octave's remarks were obviously of a totally different degree to ptti's.

Cheers Jack.. cool

And a voice of sanity prevails over lc this Christmas Eve.. tongue

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PT was just trying to respond..

That's a whole lotta bullshit. PTTI made the mistake of questioning Octave's sexual virility in a mildly crude fashion and he demonstrated himself to be far better at being crude. She was not trying to respond, if you think about it, she actually flamed him before he flamed her.

I don't wanna defend the guy cos he's clearly a nutter, but what you're saying is actually completely wrong.

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Revol; I'm not interested if he did or not - I just think him wanting to get his thrills by telling us he did is fucked up and irritating, sours the atmosphere and he should be kicked off pronto. In fact I suspect he may be the same guy who got banned a few months ago for coming on, talking shit about being on the run for GBH or something and asking for hints on how to be a 'real criminal'.

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The simple fact is that she took it down a path and he showed himself willing to go further, it might not have been tasteful but that's life.

Exactly, it's like accusing Revol of reifying something, you're just asking for it.

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that is a dangerous combo - disallowing a non-controversial femme contribution while allowing an OTT misogynist male poster to continue unhindered - it just looked and felt bad to me...

He was a dick in general.
ps anal sex is not misogynistic, I was told this at a libcom drinks.

edit: what I meant to say is that the two are not connected. your contribution was rejected as a contribution, not as a female contribution. (stop saying femme or post in French angry) in a section of the site that carries features that are explicitly representative of libcom. His posts were in the forums, this is totally different.

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Dec 24 2006 02:37

Whoever said anal sex is fucking misogynistic?

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Whoever said anal sex is fucking misogynistic?

I did once. I read the Guardian. I'm sorry.

LW did.

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Dec 24 2006 02:45

Alan - We are at crosspurposes here - s'all - I wasn't referring to this particular spat..I mean it was O who steamed onto lc in the first place coming out with all this sexist shit -as Revol correctly pointed out he DID set his stall out from the beginning - and if he starts by making offensive and abusive comments about women...of course his "virility" is going to be questioned..

Revol

I think O DID get off on writing his bad porno prose...and as Ret says he seems to get off on all the rubbish he writes anyway..

And also porn is not about consenus if you just write your shit FOR YOUR EYES ONLY ..once it gets into the public domain it DOES become an issue..or are you saying that the written word can never be offensive..really??? The fact is there may well be a time and a place for porn..but that thread wasn't it...look I have also tried to make a distinction in the difference between sex talk between two people who know each other (or "consent" via responding to a sexual comment in a sexual way if they ARE strangers ) and the situ were this not the case and it is not being welcomed.. I mean PTI didn't respond in like did she????? You are assuming this is because she bowed down to his ability to respond in an even more distasteful way than she presumed..she may have instead been too pissed off to even make a response of any kind...

So I object to you tying me in with the "Respect" peeps Revol - I know the peeps you mean and that is soo not where I am coming from...

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I think O DID get off on writing his bad porno prose...and as Ret says he seems to get off on all the rubbish he writes anyway..

he got off on the reaction, which is what he came here for. I'm guessing he still has problems finding a home on the internet.

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I never said anal sex was misogynistic, Alan.. and I wouldn't.. *sighs* JC was teasing about that bit..

But JC..could tell you meant the bit about the site content being different to the forums cos the formal site content of lc is representative of lc and the forums aren't cos they are a "free-for-all" and the postings aren't filtered in the same way.. but the whole idea of this discussion on eg flaming and porn content on the forums is cos their does seem to be a tacit consensues that it shouldn't be a total free-for-all..cos that could include (and has) allowing some stuff that is offensive and could put off the casual poster/guest...

And even tho i know the TV Guide thing WAS treated as a seperate issue my perception is that it sent an off-putting message - this combo happening on the same day - not that they were linked intentionlly but it gave a poor perception..to the casually browsing poster.. IYSWIM..

Anyways have made my peace with admin now - that was a really nice post from Ed...cool

Love

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Dec 24 2006 03:30

Why do you keep saying that PTI started the path when it was clearly O??? In the first place I mean...

And i knew you didn't mean the political party.. grin . I knew you meant the New Labour kinda PC-vibe which like you I am not a fan of...because it is based on a foundation of insincerity and falsehood...

I hate RELATE btw.. angry i get a lot of clients come to me cos they found Relate to be too priggish and I am not..

I know politics is about seeking to change the existing relations in society (which I why I am challlenging O tongue ) but communication and SOME degree of respect are necessary -( at least between comrades) otherwise change cannot occur cos er.. the person/people you are trying to engage with have left the site/room.. tongue

Have to get ready for my loong journey to my relos tomorrow so will have to love you and leave you boy..

Love

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Dec 24 2006 03:43

*sighs*

If, unlike Jack, you really CANNOT tell the difference between the "crudeness" of PTIS throwaway comments and the "crudeness" of O's pornographic response.. then there is nothing I can do..

It is nothing to do with victimisation - it is about blatant boundary crossing..and PTI hasn't come back has she???? - I mean she still may and like I said I do not wish to speak for her - but she isn't here for you to side with or against is she Revol??? i mean that is my point - no use you having a conversation with yourself - tongue

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in which case your just as much getting aroused by being offended as he is offending.

that's where I was going I have to say.