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Here again the Day Laborers played a significant positive role, concentrating their efforts on the Mission District BART plazas at 16th and Mission and 24th and Mission.

Widespread looting has often played a positive role in mass working class uprisings against poverty and police repression from Britain, Nigeria and Brazil to Venezuela and Morocco.

Again, this is a class issue, not a micro-management of public policy issue; mass transit is simply one among a number of potential points of mass collective conflict between working people and the capitalist system.

And involvement of aggressively non-radical groups would have effectively diluted any anti-market, mass collective direct action message that the rally organizers were trying to get out -- luckily, this wasn't a problem, since the Muni Fare Strike group wasn't trying to get out any subversive message of any kind, anyway.

A march to City Hall is a petition to the government, a petition to have your elected representatives be more responisive to your needs as an atomized citizen in a market society.

An overwhelming majority of mass transit system riders, atomized, exploited people perpetually awask in the propaganda of commodities, are never going to magically and with total spontanaity and in overwhelming majority percentages going to launch a mass self-reduction effort, or and other kind of mass action.

It has nothing to do with any mass collective fight for the negation of the market and the democratic state, which is necessarily confrontational -- and also necessarily not about cooperating with non-confrontation groups.

Another point to bear in mind in a revised leaflet is connecting atomized acts of resistance to mass collective acts of resistance, instead of celebrating their atomized and extremely limited character.

The haven't honed their communications skills enough to effectively communicate any message they might have to convey to contemporary working people.

If Catch and other libcom people are doing anything with contemporary workers' struggles in the real world, I'd be very uneasy about those workers associating me with the kind of exchanges that take place here.

How come losers like tsiatko and the I-dumbell-you-dumbbell-you character x357997 cower behind fake names while hissing little boy's locker room rumors?

Aside from syndicalistcat, the rest of you reek of some weird sort of jealousy or sour grapes -- what is it with you losers?

Well, you guys are losers, that's clear.

If no one has anything to say worth responding to, I'll end this exchange here.

Are there any intelligent, articulate, thoughtful people out there who are still reading this thread and simply not posting on it? Or has it now de-evolved into being the plaything of drooling loser morons from NEFAC; the doltish and inarticulate "thugarchist," MJ, and 'Smash Rich Bastards'?

I've more than clearly made my point against the left-wing of capital types like Mobuto; they dragged a potentially new form of anti-capitlaist mass action backwards into drooling, gibbering, statist leftist-loser-land.

And, what's the connection? All the comments on this are drooling idiot stuff -- like other libcom forums I've surfed since posting this.

Syndicalistcat's doltish conflation of any and all forms of working class self-organization with unions and unionism is an inevitable outgrowth of his particular brand pf anti-subversive, democratic ideology.

Hey Tsiatko, tell everybody about how you once claimed that you "shape-shifted" into being a coyote!

My experience of dealing with you is that sometime before we met, almost 23 years ago, you shape-shifted into being a cabbage and never figured out how to shape-shift back...

It figures that dolts like syndicalistcat and the cabbages from knee-fuck would have all this degenerate into a debate about the morality of credit cards,

This is a fundamental dividing line between the real enemies of capital and the state, and the left-wing of capital's political apparatus; social democrat, Trot, anarchist, or whoever.

Any real enemies of capitalism -- got that, real enemies of capitalism -- will attempt to help set into play a dynamic that does an end-run around these political panhandlers and renders these clowns unable to recuperate the effort.

Do any intelligent, articulate enemies of capitalism ever post on these threads -- or are libcom forums strictly for trolls?

Are all the supposed enemies of capitalism really on the same side to you, syndicalistcat?

Your song and dance routine is a lot of empty anarcho-liberal talk. There is no hint of antagonism to capitalist social relations in your democratic ideological dreck.

My acknowledging that I don't have all the answers doesn't in turn bestow some kind of wholly unmerited revolutionary benediction on leftist protest ghetto nonsense.

This is typical anarcho-liberal cluelessness. All you get here is a leftist-workerist benediction for anybody whose heart was vaguelly in the right place.

Norton is a former apparatchik of an outfit called 'Line of March.'

How is it "sectarian" to be implacably hostile to the Stalinist counter-revolution and its apparatchiks?

I think a definition of an internet troll is that they always do stuff while hiding behind a fake name -- for example, joking about the death of a woman from cancer, as the stool specimen "Sam Diego" did on a now deleted post..

Here's a question for specimens like Jeff Costello and revol68:

Anyway, I don't do the authentic subversive current or currents of the increasingly distant past called anarchism the disservice of confusing them with the doggie's dinner of entertainment culture phenomenon, subcultural identity ghetto, passive social criticism, left-liberal whining, compulsive voting and ideological accessory to a hygenically-challenged life in the drop-out culture that gets called anarchism in the US today.

The Christmas leaflet is akin to the best, earlier efforts of the people behind Detroit's 'Fifth Estate,' and 'Processed World' here in San Francisco, back in the days when they were authentic subversive efforts.

Keating vs. his enemies:

"...people are wrong to assume the strong dominate the weak. The weak usually manage to pull down the strong; the weak outnumber the strong, and they know it."

Nietzsche, "The Anti-Christ"