"Pro Revolutionaries in Academia" Thread

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tastybrain
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Nov 24 2011 22:17
"Pro Revolutionaries in Academia" Thread

Hey mods.

I would appreciate it if one of you would keep an eye on the "academia" thread. There has been a lot of OT posting about J (referencing him or talking about him is OK, but only if it relates to the actual topic of the thread. Posts solely about J are not helpful and OT). Also, Nate has used abusive language and made ad hominem attacks on people which really brings down the level of discussion. So a bit more of a hands on approach to that thread would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Nov 24 2011 22:52

I do not understand why Nate's behavior is tolerated in the theory forums. He clearly only entered the discussion to flame some of the participants which he called "retards". Why are Lines' posts deleted while his are not? Is it ok to flame when the theory discussed is not well regarded?

This is a discussion that interests me greatly and it has been very disappointing to see how the libcom team has been handling it. Until very recently this was my prime source for libertarian thought and discussion, and I guess it will be for a while for my translations and source hunting, but the forums have certainly lost much of their appeal.

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Nov 24 2011 23:34

Not being arsey here, but has anyone used the 'report' button on posts (as suggested in the side bar of every forum page)? Admins don't read every thread, but do make an effort to check reported posts and if necessary remove flaming etc and warn users. One of lines' posts was reported, an admin looked at it and snipped the personal abuse. In fact one of the other posts which was moderated was one in which someone cried that the thread was in danger of being over-moderated. So please take some responsibility, report posts which violate the posting guidelines and don't respond in kind to abuse, and the admins will do our best to deal with any problems.

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Nov 24 2011 23:43

JK, cheers for that response as I was stumped for what to say.. I just looked at the thread, saw 8 pages of discussion and felt like crying at the thought of ploughing through all that..

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Nov 25 2011 00:02

Yes, I reported Nate's abusive post.

Ed, I'm not saying mods have to dig through the whole thread, just requesting a bit of an eye on it as it continues.

Thanks.

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Nov 25 2011 11:40

lines [post now unpublished]

This site isn't here to give you a platform to make up mental shit about anarchist organisations.

You made the statement about solfed there knowing both that it was untrue and that it would get a response. This is called trolling and is against our posting guidelines.

You are fully aware of this. So I have no reason to spend time editing your post or giving you the engagement you want. So your post gets deleted. As will any similar shit.

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Nov 25 2011 11:52

I don't get it, Fall back.

What is incorrect about what I said about Solfed?

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Nov 25 2011 12:01

You know the bit where the factual content didn't correspond to reality? That bit.

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Nov 25 2011 12:22
Fall Back wrote:
You know the bit where the factual content didn't correspond to reality? That bit.

laugh out loud the reality principle. It gets us all in the end!

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Nov 25 2011 12:30

You know who else uses evidence?

THE POLICE!

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Nov 25 2011 12:44

InB4 "I never mentioned anyone by name, but somehow you knew who I was talking about. THAT PROVES IT!!!!111!!!"

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Nov 25 2011 12:50

Rob, lines is not revering to anyone, they're trolling and making up fantasist shit to get a rise out of people, so better not to feed it imho.

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Nov 25 2011 12:54

Hey to be charitable he might just have the wrong end of the stick, I've had new SF members assume our general secretary's opinion was an official line before now - just one of those "he's a senior voice" assumptions people sometimes do, I blame capitalism.

Edit: Ah yes, I see he's still talking about "leading members" even having had it explained to him in words of one syllable. Fairy nuff I'll stop feeding him.

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Nov 25 2011 12:54
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I've had new SF members assume our general secretary's opinion was an official line before now.

eek

grin

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Nov 25 2011 12:55

Apart from JK's mysterious academic promotion there (well done mate btw, must be a surprise for you!), it's good that lines has now vocalised what has up until now been an unspoken assumption - that it is good when police violently attack and mismanage otherwise crowds, because this helps the class struggle.

Let a thousand Hillsbrough's bloom. roll eyes

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Nov 25 2011 12:57

lines, having been warned, had a post removed for trolling, and then embellishing that trolling on this thread, which was the one asking for moderation, has now been temp banned.

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Nov 25 2011 12:58
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I've had new SF members assume our general secretary's opinion was an official line before now

The sound of a hundred gaskets being blown in locals across the country.

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Nov 25 2011 13:06
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Hey to be charitable he might just have the wrong end of the stick

fyi, this is a poster who registered solely to accuse two guys from another city of being an academic from Liverpool and/or an academic from Brighton. for three pages, based on nothing (link).

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Nov 25 2011 13:42

Ok, lines has also spammed the 'report post' function meaning the actual reported posts have got lost amongst them. Fine. Ban upgraded to permanent ban.

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Nov 25 2011 14:21

I'm fairly sure that lines was a longtime troll who may not have had a recogniseable ip address because he had moved to another continent.
what surprises me is now many people took him seriously and felt the need to respond to what he said, not noticing things like him saying that other people had made points they hadn't made, adopting others' arguments for his own then using their words against them, etc as he's done in his past career as a troll. He was here to wind people up and stir shit.

I think some people really worry when someone comes along stating what a true communist must and must not do - they start to think maybe they don't measure up, maybe they're not Unmoveable themselves, and so need to defer to the piss-takers such as lines. Embarassing.

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Nov 25 2011 16:56

I suppose now that lines has been banned everyone feels they can say what they like about him!

Well I find some of lines posts irritating and not always expressed as well as they might be and a very few deserved admin intervention, but there is a genuine communist point of view in amongst his contributions - you don't have to agree with them or like his style but some have been sufficiently challenging to help me clarify my own point of view - which is 'in the middle' of course!!

We all need to be challenged sometimes.

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Nov 25 2011 17:07

Spikymike, lines has been posting up categorical lies about several individuals and groups. Most of these have been removed and you may not have seen them (/all). When this thread was started, he then spammed the report function after we asked tastybrain to report problematic posts, making it difficult to moderate the thread. He is not being banned because people 'don't like his style', there has been a pattern of deliberate, repeated breaches of the site rules, and lines knows this because they made several references to 'when i get banned'.

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Nov 25 2011 17:18

A post was deleted because it accused people of trying to complete their PhDs??!?

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Nov 25 2011 17:43

Right, final warning. If anyone wants to further waste admins time by reposting removed posts, then you'll also get temp banned. We've all got better things to do than tidy up after trolls.

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Nov 25 2011 18:44
bzfgt wrote:
A post was deleted because it accused people of trying to complete their PhDs??!?

And my post has been deleted for daring to quote such an outrageous allegation. Lines had a post deleted because he suggested it was incongruous to have anarchist organisations dominated by academics/students whilst striving for an industrial strategy.

That is it. Obviously, whether such an assertion is true or not, it hardly merited deleting.

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Nov 25 2011 18:48

Please sir, Mr Kay, sir - please sir - sorry to interrupt your monologue sir - do you mind if i speak sir - I mean, don't you think it's a little two-faced, sir - sorry to call you that, sir - but, sir, please, I just want to say that it seems a little - well, how shall I put it it, sir? I mean you ban lines for lying sir, but when you - or rather your colleague, Steven, said that avantiultras and dr faustus consistently always posted from the same IP address and that they were one and the same person he was lying , sir, just as lines was supposedly lying also, sir - and you backed Steven up, sir, didn't you, sir? - though I'm sure he lied for the best of reasons, sir and - no, please don't put me in detention, sir - I take it all back - you're all very very nice people and have everybody's best interests at heart, sir - you're all the best teachers of libertarian communism in the whole wide world, sir. 100 lines sir? Yes sir, sorry sir.

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Nov 25 2011 18:52

Samotnaf and Blasto temp banned for 72 hours for persistent trolling.

Amazed at how much energy and effort people are going to right now, in the middle of a massive crisis where loads of people are putting shitloads of energy into organising and doing actual, tangible things, to troll a fucking message board. Good effort folks.

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