Key tags - important tags to attach to content
Oct 12 2006 15:12
We use tags
we have a few big catch-all key tags, in which we should put all articles related to the subject. need to get this info down somewhere... in site guide maybe?
anyway, here they are:
fascism - all fascist, far-right and anti-fascist stuff - http://libcom.org/tags/fascism
race - all racism, race, multiculturalism stuff - http://libcom.org/tags/racism
strikes - all work stoppages or articles about them - http://libcom.org/tags/strikes
prices - all struggles at the point of consumption over prices (maybe should include rent? what do you all think?) - http://libcom.org/tags/prices
women - all content related to women and feminism (inc. biographies of women) http://libcom.org/tags/women
er, i think that's about it...
Oct 12 2006 16:20
#2
I'll donate £20 if you change the "women" one to "laideez", and leave it like that for a week.
Oct 12 2006 16:45
#3
Prices??
What fucking numpty thought of that one?
Jaysus what goes in there? The Poll Tax, fare evasion, rent strikes, shoplifting, articles about the price of pints and mars bars?
Oct 12 2006 16:53
#4
revol68 wrote:
Prices??What fucking numpty thought of that one?
Jaysus what goes in there? The Poll Tax, fare evasion, rent strikes, shoplifting, articles about the price of pints and mars bars?
Can you suggest something else?
Oct 12 2006 17:19
#5
don't ask me to give legitimacy to this tagging bullshit. 
How about not having a Tag for that as seperate, but rather having it as general class struggle, y'know maybe further sub divided into Transport or Food or Housing.
If you had embraced anarcho syndicalism instead of listening to that Bookchin cracka, you'd have known that the seperation of struggles around production and circulation is the first barrier to success.
Oct 12 2006 17:35
#6
revol68 wrote:
don't ask me to give legitimacy to this tagging bullshit. ;)
By posting about it in our feedback forum you've already given it legitimacy.
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How about not having a Tag for that as seperate, but rather having it as general class struggle, y'know maybe further sub divided into Transport or Food or Housing.
You'll notice we have tags for food & retail, transport and housing already. What we want is something general. Class struggle is a bit too general I think.
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If you had embraced anarcho syndicalism instead of listening to that Bookchin cracka
John, who used to describe him self as an anarcho-syndicalist, has done most of the work on the tagging, so don't blame it on me (or Bookchin!).
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you'd have known that the seperation of struggles around production and circulation is the first barrier to success.
The point of the tags is to reflect as closely as possible the subjective experience of class stuggle as it occurs across regions and industries whilst providing a useful system of classification to both enter and retrieve information, not to reify it into about six all-encompassing pre-defined categories so no-one can find anything.
Oct 12 2006 17:39
#7
and bonus points for 'reify'
Oct 12 2006 17:41
#8
My first time by the way.
Oct 12 2006 17:42
#9
you'll always remember it, pity it was with such a dialectic-whore as revol
i just want you to know, that if you ever want to treat an abstract entity as a real material thing, i'll be here for you 
Oct 12 2006 17:42
#10
well for example there is a story under the Prices tag that is about free fares due to industrial action, now to me that is a perfect example of anarcho syndicalist tactics, and more to the point the article therefore fits much better on the heading "transport", than under something as vague and yet restrictive as "prices".
The other thing if it's all suppoused to be in one section it's better to have say an article about say passenger health and safety concerns beside articles about say transport workers threatening action over a decline in health and safety. I think it just works better.
Likewise for say stuff on public service cuts, and civil service industrial action.
p.s. I refied refie ages ago so your use of it is redundant!
Oct 12 2006 17:44
#11
it can have more than one tag you realise?
Oct 12 2006 17:47
#12
yeah, which is why i think one as fucking vague and yet (dialetically?) restrictive as price is useless.
I'm not opposed to categorisation, in away all things must be atleast temporally refied to be intelligiable, but I think the Prices tag is abit much.
Oct 12 2006 17:51
#13
would 'consumption' be better?
(still vague, but hey)
Oct 12 2006 17:56
#14
no, you fucking fanny of course it wouldn't be.
I think it should envelope both consumption and production, so say a tag like, Health or Transport or Technology.
Oct 12 2006 17:58
#15
revol68 wrote:
yeah, which is why i think one as fucking vague and yet (dialetically?) restrictive as price is useless.
You don't think the fares action is worth being categorised alongisde auto-reduction, filesharing insurance etc. etc. as well?
consumption - out of context, it reminds me of those 19th/early 20th century novels where they use it instead of tuberculosis or whatever. That's probably just me though.
Consumers? But we decided against categorising people over roles (i.e. we use fire service instead of firefighters). Consumers would be clearer, but it's not better.
Oct 12 2006 17:58
#16
revol68 wrote:
no, you fucking fanny of course it wouldn't be.I think it should envelope both consumption and production, so say a tag like, Health or Transport or Technology.
like sector tags, which are there already 
they're after an analog of 'strikes' for circulation-skewed resistance: rent strikes, self-reduction etc
Oct 12 2006 18:01
#17
revol68 wrote:
Health or Transport or Technology.
You mean like these?
http://libcom.org/sectors/health-medicine
http://libcom.org/sectors/transport
They'll be used where appropriate, but we want to have something that covers consumption specifically, because people consume things.
edit: JK beat me to it.
Oct 12 2006 18:01
#18
my point is that I don't think "consumer" ended things should have a seperate tag.
Oct 12 2006 18:03
#19
ok, thanks for the critique of separation.
stop negating for a minute ... do you think all working class direct action should therefore have a single tag then?
Oct 12 2006 18:04
#20
Do you think strikes, general strikes and wildcat strikes are worth having specific tags for? All strikes go in the first, the latter are used where appropriate.
Oct 12 2006 18:05
#21
I think it should go alongside anyother actions whether worker or consumer on that particular commodity or service.
Oct 12 2006 18:09
#22
how about a sort of 2-tier hierarchy then?
1. direct action (the catch-all)
2. strikes, wildcat strikes, general strikes, auto-reduction, rent strikes etc
which could then be combined with sectors etc as appropriate?
Oct 12 2006 18:21
#23
yes but I want a tag that will bring up bus fare strikes beside bus drivers strikes.
Oct 12 2006 18:24
#24
transport + strikes
Oct 12 2006 18:25
#25
or just transport 
Do you not think it's worth having rent strikes, auto-reduction and fare strikes together as well?
Oct 12 2006 18:32
#26
see it's this bastarding Tagging shit!
I hate it!
All I know is that I don't want a fucking Tag for "Prices" or "Consumption".
Fuck, put them under "Social Factory Actions"
Oct 12 2006 18:33
#27
SFA hey 
Oct 12 2006 18:36
#28
Social Factories------strikes----boycotts------auto reduction etc
Oct 12 2006 22:22
#29
jesus christ revol, what is the matter with you?
we have tags which group all strikes together, we have tags that group all industrial things together (like transport and buses) and wanted a tag to bring all "auto-reduction" stuff together.
thought of more:
- old age
- environment
- immigration - anything about immigration or migrants