PLP libertarian?

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Dec 21 2013 15:51
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looking at http://kasamaproject.org/so-what-is-kasama it says nothing about how they are structured or what forms of organisation they favour, and generally i get the impression that its just a website run by fans of maoism

Yeah I spoke to a few of them via email a year or so a go and I got the impression the website was run by a group of Maoists most of which knew each other from the old RCP. I remember hearing about them having reading groups and supporters who funded them but nothing about an actual physical structure.

I know I've seen most of the Kasama admins support and defend the idea of Democratic Centralism, so I don't really see where Iexist is getting

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Kasama organizes democratically, has freedom of thought, and fights the good fight. That makes them a group I think is anarchistic but not anarchist.

As far as I knew they said they were open to having non Maoists take part in the website as part of an on going debate. So in essence they're allowed to comment.

Oh and as for Anarchistic but not Anarchist? I think even Kasama itself would disagree with iexist.

http://kasamaproject.org/pamphlets2/4331-the-historical-failure-of-anarchism-implications-for-the-future-of-the-revolutionary-project

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Chris Day’s essay “The Historical Failure of Anarchism” was written for a conference on anarchist strategy in 1996 — and quickly sparked a far ranging ideological struggle theLove and Rage Revolutionary Anarchist Federation. It was seen as a call for a break with inherited anarchism. But the importance of this essay is not just its critique of anarchism’s weaknesses and complacencies.
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Dec 21 2013 20:35

Progressive Labor Party, if I remember right, was one of the first splitoffs from the Communist Party USA after Khrushchev's 'Secret Speech'. They were 'anti-revisionist', which then meant they disagreed with de-Stalinisation. Other than that, the main thing I know about them is that they were active in the 1960s SDS, and made their members dress 'square' as opposed to 'hippie'. They are a Marxist-Leninist party, heavily influenced by Maoism. There isn't much libertarian about them. I don't know about their internal structure, but I doubt it has anything in common with any anarchist groups.

Kasama is a project from ex-RCPers. The RCP is a Maoist cult, in my opinion. Kasama can be interesting sometimes, and I've checked their site occasionally. I know that a couple posters here used to be active in the comment section on that site, not sure if they still are. That said, they are not anarchists and are extremely critical of anarchism. They have very different politics. But, in general, some of the main people seem like nice enough folks. I think a lot of hatred of Maoism is not always based on actual politics, but by the cultlike quality of their adherents, so when sane adherents come along, some of us are caught offguard and ascribe beliefs to them that they don't hold. Make no mistake, the overall views of the Kasama Project have little in common with anarchism.

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Dec 22 2013 12:52

Fun fact: Hilary Putnam, the philosopher, was involved with them in the 1960s. Coincidentally he supervised Paul Mattick Jr.'s PhD. thesis. Both Putnam and Mattick Jr. are cool. The PLP, not so much.

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Dec 22 2013 14:24

Of his lighter, more socially engaged writing I'm quite fond of this one:

available for free download here: http://en.bookfi.org/book/1442376

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Dec 22 2013 19:05

For your winter break reading, iexist: http://marxists.org/history/erol/1960-1970/index.htm#plp

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Feb 3 2014 01:51
iexist wrote:
I didn't mean wouldn't criticize I meant that they're a group we'd endorse. Kasama organizes democratically, has freedom of thought, and fights the good fight. That makes them a group I think is anarchistic but not anarchist.