post capitalist sci fis

I'm finishing robinsons's "2312" today. In it, the solar system has some examples of libertarian societies though capitalist hellhole earth chugs along

Thanks for adding those!

nice one!

Yep, there's some good stuff there. Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy is ace, if you've got the time to read it all... it's pretty hefty and if you add on the related Martians short story collection, then in total it's flippin massive. Most of his stuff has post capitalist elements and overtones; sometimes utopian, other times dystopian and they're all really thought provoking. I don't think I disliked any of his novels, even if I might occasionally disagree with some of his ideas. They're all a reet good read and he's a writer who's pretty much on our side.

The Mars Trilogy is awesome. Probably the best hard sci-fi I've ever read. I've not read his other stuff though.

I've been meaning to read his "Years of Rice and Salt" for awhile now. Not post-capitalist so much as alter-capitalist - grand historical narrative asking what would have happened if the black plague had completely wiped out Europe before colonization...

Years of Rice and Salt is very interesting. A really good 'what if...' novel, though some of Robinson's more buddhisty elements come to the fore. I don't hold that against him though and it shouldn't put you off, as it's a good device for giving continuity to a story stretched over a good few centuries. Anyway, it's a cracking read.

How about Iain M Banks' Culture novels.
Also, the heavily dystopian We by Yevgeny Zamiatin.
Pretty much all of Kim Stanley Robinson's books... and Ken MacLeod's as well.
IWW member, Mack Reynolds, did loads of stuff, for example Commune 2000 and The Towers of Utopia. Mind you, a lot of his stuff is a bit schlocky.

I forgot... there's also Salt by Adam Roberts.which features the colonisation of a desert planet by individualist anarchists on one hemisphere and capitalists on the other.

Red Star by Alexander Bogdanov (1908)

The Republic of the Southern Cross by Valery Bryusov (1905, a dystopian Novella)

Heh heh... an important character in Robinson's Red Mars is the revolutionary Bogdanov.

My favorite line in any novel is from The Stone Canal:
"They've refuted Malthus: everybody's rich. They've refuted Mises: nobody's paid. They've refuted Freud: nobody's sad. But it is kind of crowded."

Did anybody else have trouble getting through Blue Mars? It really started losing me halfway through.

I had more of an issue with Red Mars. Took time to get used to the pages long description of Martian landscape and geology. By Blue Mars I had gotten used to it. Green Mars was the best of the series IMO.

It's pretty funny reading this thread just now as I'm working my way through Blue Mars. I swear if I have to read anymore of Ann Clayborne trekking through the Martian landscape I'm gonna lose it.

Saying that, I love the books, they actually got me thinking more on the idea of markets in a post-capitalist world. Something I'd like to read more upon.

I've been meaning to read some Ken MacLeod. I hear he has anarcho-capitalist themes through out his work, is this true? I read two books in John C. Wrights Golden Age trilogy which had distinct anarcho capitalist themes. Also I remember his depiction of women to be a bit dogey. It had some cool SF concepts though.

Yeah. MacLeod comes from a Trotskyist background, but he turned into a heretic and took an interest in right-wing libertarianism and Austrian School economics. Most of The Star Fraction takes place in a stateless capitalist zone of a future Balkanized UK. The Stone Canal is set in a dystopian ancap colony on 'New Mars'. A running theme in both books is the points of similarity between socialist and capitalist ideology, mostly expressed through the character Jonathan Wilde.

MacLeod's an interesting paradox. He didn't exactly swing to the right; he still considers himself a socialist, and some of his books depict a future libertarian communist Earth. It's just that a lot of his socialism is informed by right-wing ideas. The "true knowledge" sure is.

Mythmakes & Lawbreakers by Margaret Killjoy is a great collection of interviews with anarchist fiction writers, a lot of them sci-fi or fantasy writers.

The same person just wrote their first novel, too, A Country of Ghosts. I haven't read it yet, but apparently it's about an anarchist utopia under siege. They also wrote a pretty entertaining choose-your-own-adventure book for grown-ups about goblins staging a revolution in Victorian England.

There's thousands of things in the library! Where can I find the sci-fis you posted?

Try this: http://libcom.org/user/1271004/track.

Thanks!