St-Imer International Gathering: Who's participating? Who's Going?

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Aug 14 2012 12:11

Oh, don't worry I'm not asking of you posting anything from private discussions smile

I was just wondering how did "official" (or whatever) IWA (or syndicalist) part went, since, tbh that the only part of anarchist movement I've ever been interested in. But then again it's quite a shame that there was nothing concrete and that it was just ideological speeches. I've tough that it might be something like that CNT's camp where there were concrete struggle examples from most of sections, so that my comrades from MASA, especially those who recently got more active, could learn from other organisations. But that's where "small circles" jump in, which is why they still have a lot of positive impressions wink

But I have to comment that I have an impression that today really few people (or organisations) think about strategy in a sense which goes further from day-to-day or individual struggle. That's really important issue which must be resolved or there's no hope for anybody...

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Aug 14 2012 12:45
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I shouldn't open this can of worms, but can't help debating with syndicalist.

Ah, after knowing you since your teens, why should anything be different?

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Syndicalist, this is some degree of cooperation between different class struggle anarchists, as you call them. But, I think that it really is naive of an old man like you to think something new would appear at an event like this. What was already there, based in real experience, remained. But were there is some distance, how could one expect change if there was little debate or, simply where positions clash.

Well, for the record, Akai is not wheeling me around in some old man cart. I'm near 60, not 100 years.

Akai, "hope springs eternal" or however the phrase goes. Anyway, not being on the ground, I've no clue of the interaction (or lack thereof) and forums and methods in which folks discussed or debated things. I suppose I am more interested in inter-organizational truces and attempts at minimal cooperation then in the same old same old clashes. But I am not naive enough to believe that real and meaningful differences don't exist.

Akai, although I respect the anarcho-syndicalist work of R. Rocker, don't anticipate me sitting in a rocker for quite some time ..... and, hell, you ain't so young no more yourself groucho laugh out loud cool

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Aug 14 2012 15:55

Kontr, IWA was not an organizer of this event. Hence participants there were mostly dual members of IFA, invited observers of that congress, or just went as individuals, not representing their organizations. Thus, IWA itself did not prepare anything. Some private meetings only occurred. This could have been different perhaps if some of us hadn't been misinformed that there was a strict deadline for announcing workshops. Many events were organized after that supposed deadline.
As to more focused events with workshops and so on, some are being planned and i hope they will be useful. We have a more historical conference also in the works, although there are some location issues. Hope they will be resolved soon so we can start announcing.
Sorry, I went a bit off topic.

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Aug 14 2012 17:56

Oh, I know that IWA didn't participate officially but my comrades gave me impression that there were some "special" syndicalist workshops. Sorry, my bad smile

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Aug 14 2012 19:27

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my comrades from MASA,

Hey Kontrra! This is the first time I've seen anyone post from MASA! Got any news? How you all getting on?

Akai

Thanks for your account on the gathering - in all honesty, it's the first I've read where anyone is open about what went on, good for you. Looking forward to other reports, especially from groups that supported the gathering. Just to be certain, you might want to be clearer about those people from the Anarchist Federation wanting to stand in elections - we're clearly not talking about comrades in the AF-IFA from britain?

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Aug 14 2012 19:43
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Hey Kontrra! This is the first time I've seen anyone post from MASA! Got any news? How you all getting on?

Hi, I'm not member of MASA. I used to be in MASA, but I left, cause I'm not an anarchist. Never the less, I'm still close to a lot of comrades from MASA and follow news in anarchist movement.

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Aug 14 2012 20:06

Ok chief - once again, I've failed to speak to a member of MASA! Can you not re-join just to keep me happy? red n black star

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Aug 14 2012 22:53
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If anybody speaks Spanish, there is an account with impressions here: http://www.alasbarricadas.org/noticias/node/21744. The writer is wrong about some things, and even writes that it was the first time in history that anarchists had a gathering. But you can get an impression from it.

Account translated at
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20120814113650668

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Aug 15 2012 06:52

To Kontr, since many people failed to acted in a coordinated way and inform us in advance that they would be there, we didn't really plan a workshop but we did have meetings and if they seemed like they were planned workshops, that's great! They were productive for such meetings but hopefully we will prepare more in the future which will be more thoughtfully planned out and really helpful.

To Plas: No, it's people from our FA in Poland who announced a few days ago that they want to run in elections. This stuff has been going on for years and your AF is far from the level of synthesis decay and absolute liberal reformism than some of the people here.

BTW, funny story is that I heard about this in St. Imier because one comrade who is not an anarchist met these people and really argued with them about how this is not anarchist. So, this is really a situation where non-anarchists who work with us can understand anarchism better than people from supposedly anarchist specific groups.

To Syndicalist: Yes, you certainly don't need a rocker, but you are a little off your rocker. smile Just kidding. In terms of inter-organizational work, as I said, it does exist, but for me, this event was not a place to start anything. The simple reason for it is that there were no proposals of any kind circulated and discussed in advance. Of course there are some organizations that work in the way that there individual members go somewhere and meet somebody spontaneous and make all sorts of plans and agreements, but I assume the ones that really are federations don't use this way much. (Although I personally observed at least one incident showing some are not too careful about this.)

I actually was a bit disappointed that some organizations that did make positive overtures towards us in the end did not have any concrete proposals about how to work together, but maybe we need to take the initiative on this. I think they sincerely want good relations but don't have an exact idea. It was quite nice, but I would prefer concrete to nice. I suppose that if we make any plans, it would be done in a totally different way, taking more concrete proposals through the organizations and perhaps a more serious and formal chance to meet.

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Aug 15 2012 07:02

Official IFA statement...

Public statement from IFA Congress Saint-Imier 2012, 9-12th August to other exploited and oppressed people of the World.

The St. Imier meeting has enabled a lot of groups and militants that are members and non-members of the International of Anarchist Federations (IAF-IFA) to meet each other. IFA would like to sum up the events of the last few days.

One hundred and forty years ago in this town an international movement of ‘anti-authoritarians’ was founded. It played a major part in the creation of an organised movement of anarchists. They worked then for profound social transformation, and in this manner we have participated, as IFA, in the international meeting in St-Imier. What we have to offer is the best sort of society that humanity is capable of achieving. We want to create a world in which there is complete economic equality, by which we mean that there should be no personal property but that we produce and own everything communally, with no need for money.

But as well as economic equality, there would be maximum personal freedom. This means that we live as we want and no one can make us do anything we don’t want to do, or prevent us from doing what we want to do unless this limits the freedom of others. So, there would be no hierarchy or oppression of any kind. There would be no need for a state or police because we would not need controlling or coercing. There would be no need for wars or global conflict because we would have no political enemies and no desire or need to seize any resources from anyone else. This is what we call Anarchism.

Anarchists reject the idea that it is human nature that one personal exploits another and that we are unequal. It is the case that rulers and states throughout history have maintained this system. This lie justifies Capitalism as a ‘natural’ system. We hear that there is a ‘crisis’ of Capitalism, but Capitalism is crisis. It is a recent system in historical terms and has already brought humanity to its knees many times before producing the current situation. But people all over the World are seeing through this lie and are resisting states and capitalism as never before and seek to coordinate their efforts across national boundaries. This makes an anarchist society more possible than ever.

But Anarchism is not utopianism. Obviously, for such a society to work, many things must first change, and our task now is to help bring about these vast transformations and provide an analysis that is useful to them. The working class, by which we mean all exploited and impoverished people, ourselves amongst them, has to operate as a mass movement. Crucially, it must not entrust the struggle to new leaders with old ideas, but by determining its own path.

Today, social movements are practising new ways of organising which draw heavily on anarchism, for example taking action directly against obstacles to their progress and experimenting with non-hierarchical organisational forms. They include student movements, action against destruction of the natural world and common resources, anti-militarist struggles, those against G8 summits and capitalism in general, and most recently the fight against austerity which unites the international working class. Movements such as Occupy and the Indignados and similar movements of self-organisation against the banking system have shown the importance of using direct action to reclaim public space. The uprisings of oppressed indigenous peoples in recent decades, such as the Zapatistas, have inspired the new social movements and have influenced anarchism itself. Such new movements create large assemblies to make decisions together without leaders. They practice horizontal decision-making. They link-up federally, as organisations of equal status without decision-making bodies at their centre.

But these attempts often fall short of what is possible because meaningful social change requires also that we change as individuals. We seek to be free and equal as individuals, but there must also be voluntary, personal responsibility and self-organisation. The working class itself contains divisions and oppressions and hierarchies which do not disappear just because we want to have no rulers and want to be equal. As members of the working class we therefore struggle internally against our own racism, sexism and patriarchal attitudes and practices. Equally we fight the assumption that heterosexuality is the norm, or that clearly defined categories ‘male’ and ‘female’ are ‘normal’. We must identify and oppose discrimination and stereotyping on the basis of age or ability. Until internalised inequalities and deference towards hierarchy are identified and abolished we cannot be free, and so we identify and oppose them in social movements and workers organisations as well as in society in general.

Finally, to create this free and equal society, the working class itself must bring down rulers and capital. We call this a ‘social revolution’. Anarchists try to build confidence within the working class in our ability to be successful as quickly and with the least violence possible. We do this through joining with other workers to win small victories. We do this best through direct action not through reforms and negotiation with bosses. Direct action means not waiting but taking what should belong to all of us. We need to support each other’s struggles through mutual aid. This means practical solidarity in times of hardship. As well as helping us on a day-to-day basis, this demonstrates to people what we are about. So we practice anarchy now as far as we can in how we organise and how we struggle to prove that an anarchist society is possible.

We salute those comrades from the past, their work and the personal sacrifices they made for human emancipation. We continue their work, and critically develop their ideas and apply them to our situation. They would in turn salute the global working class at this point in its history, as it strives for real freedom and equality.

IFA has dealt with many themes over the last 5 days and in particular:

•The economic crisis and social struggle
•International solidarity
•Anti-militarism
•Anti-nuclear and alternative energies
•Migration
On this basis, the IFA has reinvigorated its own activities and invites all exploited people to struggle for transformation of society, for anarchism.

The International of Anarchist Federations (IAF-IFA), 12th August 2012.

http://i-f-a.org

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Aug 15 2012 07:10

There is also this "Anarkismo" statement, which seems to have been signed only by OSL:
http://rebellion-osl.ch/declfinalanarkismo.pdf

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Aug 15 2012 08:51

The story, afaik, behind the "anarkismo" statement was that it was originally an attempt to produce a common statement of the whole conference, which is why it contains no specific mention of Anarkismo (or especifismo/platformism etc) and speaks in the first person plural. Negotiations over this document continued all week until 23:00 on Saturday night when the IFA announced that the next day they would be releasing their own document, which you can read above. Rather than let the statement above, which depending on your reading, could very well be seen as a transparent attempt at "branding" the event as an IFA event, be the only statement released at the end of the conference, some of the people involved in drafting it, presented it to the final session as an alternative statement in the name of anarkismo. In fact, as anarkismo does not exist as a formal organisation, this is naturally impossible. The call has gone out for anarkismo groups to read (and translate, where necessary) the statement and to sign it, as and when their internal democratic processes allow their organisations to do so.

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Aug 15 2012 09:09

Thanks for the clarification.

I think the IFA statement is clearly marked as such and nobody understood the St. Imier event as an IFA event.

My personal opinion is that it's actually more representative if the organizations make their own statements. You then get a better idea of what their political positions and concerns are.

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AKAI---To Syndicalist: Yes, you certainly don't need a rocker, but you are a little off your rocker.

No doubt, after near 40 years at this, I am begining to think the same. wall

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This appered on the internal-WSA members list. Seems like a machine translation, but not exactly sure. Anyway, just sharing:

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Closing Statement at the International Meeting of Anarchism St.Imier 2012
Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:03 p.m. Aliteia Eleftheros

After five days of debate where the OSL has sought to defend the voice of an open social anarchism, innovative and ambitious about the world and its complexity, where we take the challenge of defending a policy without dogmatism that part of desires and needs of people, you will find here the final statement Anarkismo proposed network.

Thanks to the work and effort of numbers of volunteers as well as warm welcome resident `s appearance of the town, we were able, through intense debates, conferences, spontaneous meetings and other cultural events, say anarchism as a political proposal alive, open and innovative.

Spread the word: we will not remain at the margin!

Final Declaration

International Meeting

Anarchism, St. Imier 2012

http://rebellion-osl.ch/declfinalanarkismo.pdf

After five days of discussions and exchanges to remember our history, our future combat and prepare to converge our efforts, we reaffirm the value of positions and resolutions of the congress St.Imier underlying social anarchism, can in future developments and provide the foundations for a genuine unity of action among all sectors of the militant anti-bureaucratic and social struggle.

The convention appearance of the town has wanted to open on the diversity and plurality of ideas and practices of the labor movement and anti-bureaucratic federalist while building the nascent libertarian movement.

He refused the shape-party, hierarchical, institutional and electoral, defended by the currents of authoritarian socialism. He fought the statist conception of change who heard and understood even today make the conquest, occupation of the state a tool for social transformation.

The 1872 Congress also proclaimed his determination to fight any kind of hierarchical organization, bureaucracy, established to exercise command and lead the delegation, submission and obedience.

To all this, Congress opposed the federation of labor organizations and struggles, and the free initiative of the socialist project and direct management of social change as he proposed the plurality of forms of organization design in non-hierarchical the labor movement, in its struggles and the libertarian socialist project.

Many struggles, activism and revolutionary attempts before and after the International Congress of 1872. Anarchism takes place in this history. It is now a political movement involving many experiences and achievements common to a large number of collective and specific organizations, trade unions and popular social struggle. Anarchism is contributing to the construction of a coherent movement capable of strong and effective intervention, which seeks consistency between means and ends to radically change society. For us, anarchism and social struggles feeds feeds on the same struggles. It contributes to the popular movement for self-empowerment and self-organization.

Each resistor, each struggle, each division, each alternative is the question of freedom and equality. Each social struggle opens up possibilities that we must accompany them to the social and political liberation.

The radical social transformation that we are calling for and we prepare for our action can only result of the will, determination of free and conscious commitment of the popular classes, individuals, men and women today-dominated es by this unjust system.

We are in a real war social and economic, with intensities changing but always larger, brighter, more brutal. A situation of social insecurity and precariousness becomes widespread, devastating the common good, destroying public services, seeking to instill fear, resignation and submission, imposing capitalism everywhere. This policy is driven as much by the capitalist governments in their pay.

They try to impose a total colonization of our living conditions, mobilizing in the service of reproduction of the system all our activities. Meanwhile, there is a resurgence of old elements dominations: patriarchy, gender discrimination and gender, xenophobia, racism, slavery, exploitation. These inequalities are used to strengthen the renewed capitalist exploitation and to guarantee the reproduction of the overall system.

Anarchism denounces one mentoring system of domination and more each day that follows a logical oligarchic. Anarchism undervalue in any way spaces and civil liberties, public services and common good and some policies of wealth redistribution, devolved to social solidarity, that remain. Anarchists seek to defend and extend these gains. This has all been conquered in the past by social struggles. The hope of changing society through the conquest of state power is largely disqualified. The conquest of institutional power, integration into the state power and government action, participation in elections do not contribute to the improvement of living conditions communes, political and social rights. Rather, it is by refusing to delegate to the State Government and the definition of common good that people can effectively defend their interests and aspirations. By acting on their own, by expanding and strengthening their organizations, by seizing the wealth and social means of production and distribution, by imposing their needs, by creating their own forms of organization and doing battle on the cultural classes that may oppose the barbarity of the system, gain empowerment and improve their conditions of existence.

The Left parties do not appear as forces of progress and social justice. They defend even prior learning. Instead, they precipitate the ruin and the dismantling of our social achievements. Bureaucratization of the labor movement and social policy delegation oriented integration in state institutions, the refusal of the struggle and the imposition of social peace at any price, the bid with the objectives, strategies, capitalist values globalization lead us towards a social regression, political and ecological large.

Therefore the effective action and the construction of concrete alternatives are related to the direct popular because it is rooted in the belief that social groups must emancipate themselves and act on a federalist and solidarity. In this class society, there is no consensus or compromise that would satisfy the common interest. We claim clearly dissension with the authorities. Direct action is the bearer of a proposed open and plural social transformation. It is divided into a plurality of organizational forms and actions capable of uniting the popular resistance.

The anarchists are acting within the movements of struggle to ensure their autonomy, to bring them together in a revolutionary and libertarian perspective, to build people's power, to economic empowerment, political and social.

Our project is that libertarian communism. We demand the convergence of traditions and experiences accumulated in this sense: free communalism, municipal self-government, self-management, workers' councils and unions, unions of basic combat and direct management; free agreement for the creation, experimentation, association, federalism and alternative acts.

That is to say the construction from the base of a direct popular power, not state. So we want to break with capitalism. We fight for self-management in a future society based on freedom and equality. This objective involves various forms of organization in all areas of social and economic life. Such an orientation requires a self-established company, a social and economic development freely chosen. Socialization forces of production and exchange, and social self constitute the main form. Equal access to resources and renewable, and how the company is supporting the possibilities of Free Association, economic experimentation and exploration in the organization of living conditions. Self-management is based on free organization of those who work, eat, and are members of society after the abolition of the State, in a self-political institution of direct democracy, and law minorities.

The social anarchism, anarcho-syndicalism and revolutionary syndicalism, libertarian communism and defend a political project based on consistency between ends and means, between everyday actions and revolutionary struggles, between growing movement of self-empowerment and transformation radical social. Since 1872, our movement helps with so many other women and free men to open that path. Our commitment today is to continue this project as far as the direct will of the people.

St. Imier, August 12, 2012

Signatory organizations (08.13.2012):

Libertarian Socialist Organisation (Switzerland)

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Aug 15 2012 17:54

I've never been to one of these big events, but reading the comments I now feel a deal more prepared should I ever face one of these farces. Let it be known this shit is useful.

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Aug 15 2012 18:24

Tbh, IFA's statement reminded me of statement of some kind of liberal gay pride organisation. I usually like to call every liberal statement Trotskyist, but I can't do it in this case, cause Trots would mention class struggle at some point. Also, OWS fetish is quite nuisance. Just because somebody is organised on "horizontal" level, that doesn't make movement anarchistic. And just because these movements appeared on West we will listen about direct democracy and economical democracy (Proudhonism) bollocks for next 10 years. Bloody hell...

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Tbh, IFA's statement reminded me of statement of some kind of liberal gay pride organisation. I usually like to call every liberal statement Trotskyist, but I can't do it in this case, cause Trots would mention class struggle at some point. Also, OWS fetish is quite nuisance. Just because somebody is organised on "horizontal" level, that doesn't make movement anarchistic. And just because these movements appeared on West we will listen about direct democracy and economical democracy (Proudhonism) bollocks for next 10 years. Bloody hell...

Have you been smoking crack?

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I'm straight edge comrade smile

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Aug 15 2012 18:46

Serge, you don't need to smoke crack when you live in a region where this completely makes a hell of a sense. And being rude is pretty strange way to engage in a discussion with someone who you don't know and whose situation/society is unknown to you.

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Aug 15 2012 19:04

Hi MT. Did you not think Kontrrazvedka's comments about the IFA statement were a bit rude? He/she was certainly dishonest as he/she implies we make no mention of class struggle in our statement when, in fact, we refer to class struggle implicitly and on a number of occasions in the text. Maybe it was just a matter of good old sectarianism on Kontrrazvedka's part, I don't know. Whatever, it was all pretty snidey. I've no idea what the 'liberal gay pride references' were all about. Anyway, I'm sorry for the smoking crack reference and for the fact that I don't know him/her, etc.

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Aug 15 2012 19:18
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Did you not think Kontrrazvedka's comments about the IFA statement were a bit rude?

No, that's just Kontra's style. If think you that's rude you should hear some of the other stuff he has said!

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Aug 15 2012 19:34

Hm, first of all, the pretensions of OSL's opening remarks are astounding. Pretty scummy creatures some of them who don't even deserve the margins.

The comments are references to OWS and so on are quite clear in my opinion. What a great mythology people are perpetuating. I don't care about democracy, direct or indirect, with the democratic party hacks for example. A lot of these sorts of movements suppose the government should stay intact, but that people should just have more participation. Anarchist elements who went to influence of course aside.

I think what Kontr is referring to about IFA's statement is that the class struggle is not placed as a central element. One of the elements of writing assumes that the place in the text and the length given to it expresses its importance. And reference to the working class is made well below OWS and Indignados. Personally, I wanna puke when people uncritically take them as models, but that's my political inclination. smile The first proper mention of the working class is then followed by comments about how it needs to overcome racism, sexism, etc. - not about its need to organize itself against the bosses. I agree that we need to overcome these things, but it is not my first association with what the working class has to do.

Don't wanna be too harsh on IFA, which at least dissed reformists - good for them. But agree with Kontr basically about the comment on democracy and would add that some of these movements are not really as democratic as people are making them out to be.

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Aug 15 2012 19:38

Rather depressing to see the sectarian current running through this thread. Big get togethers like this are often places where such problems diminish.

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Aug 15 2012 19:46

PS - I personally am glad to see some critical comments here. Especially when any attempt at critical thought is quickly put down as "sectarian". I find the above comment to be just a knee jerk reaction of someone with no arguments, just name calling.

Silly me, writing on Libcom.

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Did you not think Kontrrazvedka's comments about the IFA statement were a bit rude?

No, that's just Kontra's style. If think you that's rude you should hear some of the other stuff he has said!

Heh heh, fair play. Same goes here. I'm often accused of being a bit rude or abrasive. But that's just yer regular Salford patter which sometimes sounds rude but isn't... I do try and tone it down on t'internet, but don't always succeed in sounding like the sweetie I really am grin

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Rather depressing to see the sectarian current running through this thread.

Innit. By the way, I spoke on the same platform as MASA at a big outdoor meeting on nationalism. They seem like a really sound bunch.

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PS - I personally am glad to see some critical comments here. Especially when any attempt at critical thought is quickly put down as "sectarian". I find the above comment to be just a knee jerk reaction of someone with no arguments, just name calling.

Nah... critical would have been reasoned disagreement with the IFA statement rather than all the 'liberal gay pride with no mention of class' shite. So you can lay off with the soft soap because it won't wash. It was sectarian as fuck and you know it roll eyes

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akai wrote:
PS - I personally am glad to see some critical comments here. Especially when any attempt at critical thought is quickly put down as "sectarian". I find the above comment to be just a knee jerk reaction of someone with no arguments, just name calling.

Silly me, writing on Libcom.

To be honest akai it's your contributions that I find some of the most depressing. You seem to dismiss the event being wholly negative, apart from some unofficial contributions from, of course, IWA members.

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Aug 15 2012 20:25

First, I'm not sectarian, I'm just Bolshevik grin - like Victor Serge, but without ILO part.

Second, there's nothing rude in my post, even I'm a rude boy, and since you look offended with comparison with "liberal gay pride" group/movement, here's why did I say this:

Your statement is out of blue ideological mish-mash bollocks which has nothing to do with event that just accrued, which doesn't hold any analysis of that event, but which just goes on with classical anarchist ideological stuff. You go from saying that capitalism is "bad" and "crisis" (which is not really a true, cause we have fucking long crisis then), then you go to standard "anti-authoritarian" rant (yeah, bad Marx didn't want individual freedo... Go team Bakunin! - who fucking cares?), then you go into liberal identity politics... etc. Your "analysis" of capitalism is purely moralist and idealist. It's like when on CNT's conference in Leon, after few hours of presentations from different sections on precarious work and class struggle (aka. useful, practical stuff and experience), one old FAI member stood up and started to go "comunismo libertario", "revolution social"... blah blah sit down oldman! I mean, what you've just wrote is generic anarchist text which can be put up to a Crass's song.

Actually, your identity politics part, plus OWS part, are just reproducing democratic myth of bourgeois society aka. capitalism. This is actually center of my critique. You go saying that what we actually need is more democracy. Well, that hardly true when it comes to anti-capitalist (communist) struggle. It's quite sad to see so many "class struggle" anarchists reproducing these myths (for example Serbian IWA's section is writing in its papers about Quebec CLASSE as "democratic union"!) without even questioning its content. I often hear (or read) from anarchists that struggles in Tunisia, Egypt, OWS, Quebec etc. are anarchist, because people are organised horizontally and there's this direct democracy... but you fail to question class content of these struggles and decisions. Class consciousness isn't something which just pops when people sit together and make decisions. Tbh, if you'd today put up all people from Croatia to make direct democratic decisions what will happen in Croatia, probably they'll kick out all minorities, killed big capitalists and called every bloody street in every bloody town "Street of Croatian independence war veterans". What's was point of this? That you, once again, underestimate ideological aspects of bourgeois society.

Also, because this happened on West we will listen to this every day. For example, when I was in Italy and when I was discussing with comrades from Battaglia Comunista I've realised that similar movements happen there from time to time. They end up similar to OWS and they are full of bourgeois ideological crap - like OWS-ish movements. They have realized what are opportunities of such movements long time ago... but nobody cares about that - cause it's Italy, it's not US where bunch of hippies in park look like the revolution.

It's little bit hard for me to believe, since I really don't have prejudices towards anarchists, that organisation like IAF would write something like this.

Oh, and regarding MASA people you've talked with and nationalism... Organisation which makes campaign against entering European Union, which writes and translates articles about anarchists fighting on side of French (and other) imperialism in Second World War, which supports local Anti-Fa organisation and whose members support national liberation is missing a point of internationalism.

Cheers.

ps. In the end, I'm maybe little rude when I'm describing stuff, but don't take it to hearth. I'm like a little sweet panda when you talk to me face to face. Ask, akai.