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Nov 18 2010 02:55
Out of print recommendations

Now that there is this machine near my house, does anyone have any recommendations for out of print books I should make up? It's relatively cheap ($8-100 pgs, $2 for each additional 100) I'll be digging through the library here for longer things but any suggestions are welcome. Could also do a job for anyone interested here, if they were willing to pay shipping. It's supposed to be publishing house quality, albeit paperback.

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Nov 18 2010 03:23

The Incomplete Marx. The only available copies I can find cost $100-200 even used...

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Nov 18 2010 07:12

Greenwood Reprint Company reprinted all 13 issues of the Left Wing Faction of the Socialist Party of America theoretical journal The Class Struggle (1917-1919) along with the pamphlets published by the same group ('Socialist Publication Society') as a 3 volume set in 1968.

Pretty rare and out of print..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Class_Struggle_(magazine)

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Nov 18 2010 08:10
Tarwater wrote:
Now that there is this machine near my house, does anyone have any recommendations for out of print books I should make up? It's relatively cheap ($8-100 pgs, $2 for each additional 100) I'll be digging through the library here for longer things but any suggestions are welcome. Could also do a job for anyone interested here, if they were willing to pay shipping. It's supposed to be publishing house quality, albeit paperback.

Tarwater, could you get hold of a copy of Schuyler Jones' 'Men of Influence in Nuristan: A Study of Social Control and Dispute Settlement in Waigal Valley' for me?

http://www.amazon.com/Men-Influence-Nuristan-Afghanistan-Anthropology/dp/0127853936

This is an excellent introduction for all Socialists/Anarchist for understanding pre-capitalist small-scale societies, not just Afghanistan. For example, it is recommended reading by Oswyn Murray in Early Greece (p. 325) for classicists. I can't recommend it highly enough, not just for historical studies, but also for those who want some insight into some of the social issues of organisation we might face in the future. Societies have self-organised themselves before, without the need for a state and police.

Although Jones' book was published in 1974, and his field research was done in the late '60s, it is still also very relevent today, given the war in Afghanistan, in understanding some of the socio-political issues there.

For example, see:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/5907830/Report-US-commanders-incompetent-over-nine-soldiers-killed-in-Afghan-battle-of-Wanat.html

Some quotes from report:

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But cocksure officers conducted themselves so poorly before the battle that they angered the local villagers whom they were supposed to win over, the report states...The battle showed the increasing military sophistication of the Taliban, and highlighted the vulnerability of combat forces which are now fanning out across Afghanistan in small units with orders to engage with villagers...When the fighting ended, an hour later, nine US soldiers were dead and 27 were wounded, a 75 per cent casualty rate, which has not been suffered since the Vietnam War...Gen. Petraeus wrote the Army's counterinsurgency doctrine which instructs US officers to work with and protect local populations, a marked change of strategy for an army which has always valued firepower and aggression above all else.

"This unit gave lip service to he policy of working with locals," Mr Ricks said, "and this report is a way for people like Petraeus to say, 'you think you're doing counterinsurgency, but your not. And you're getting our soldiers killed." The battalion commander in Wanat claimed after the battle that he has been conducting a classic counterinsurgency campaign while 'living with the population'.

This, the report concluded, was not an accurate account.

"This was not the case in the Waigal Valley, where the paratroopers occupied only two combat outposts, and had almost no interaction with the population," the report stated.

A statement from one machine gunner in the unit summed up the general attitude to locals: "We didn't interact with them...they didn't come near us and we didn't go near them," Another soldier added: "These people, they disgust me...everything about those people up there is disgusting. They're worthless."

The report criticised the commanders for their "highly kinetic approach", using the military jargon for aggressive military action. The report found that they shot first and asked questions later, which "inevitably degraded the relationships between the US Army and the population." In addition a US helicopter attack before the battle on some trucks passing through the valley killed doctors and other health care workers, angering villagers.

Anyway, the book covers the society in this area. Perhaps we should be recommending it to the Pentagon, too, eh? Or perhaps this village society's lack of a state would 'disgust' the generals, too?

The reason I'm so interested is that the cheapest it can be bought second-hand on the internet is about £120, so if you can get a copy made for substantially less, I'll be very interested in buying one. Although I've read a copy from a library, I'm keen to have a copy permanently, for reference. I'm doing some work at the moment on pre-Tokugawa Japan, and I'm sure it'll be relevent to that period, too.

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Nov 18 2010 08:19

I liked Rioters and Citizens, Mass Protest in Imperial Japan. I picked it up for about £25, but have only ever seen it online for around$100-150.

It's the only book I know of that covers those events in English, and it was a very good read.

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Nov 18 2010 09:00
Tarwater wrote:
Now that there is this machine near my house, does anyone have any recommendations for out of print books I should make up? It's relatively cheap ($8-100 pgs, $2 for each additional 100) I'll be digging through the library here for longer things but any suggestions are welcome. Could also do a job for anyone interested here, if they were willing to pay shipping. It's supposed to be publishing house quality, albeit paperback.

$10 for a book sounds like good value to me, I've seen these before but not that cheap (one of the bookshops on Charing Cross Road has one iirc).
Will they let you print anything for that price or only non-copyright stuff?

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Nov 18 2010 19:00

+1 for The Incomplete Marx by Felton Shortall. The available on-line versions are messed up and almost unreadable.

Edit: Oh and BTW, if you decide to do it, I'll order two copies right away. Some other comrades here will probably want to get it as well.

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Nov 18 2010 10:29

I likewise recommend the reproduction of The Incomplete Marx.

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Nov 19 2010 00:38

Yeah, being a business they will only print things that won't open them up to litigation. That said there are thousands of books in the public domain and they've mentioned several (unnamed in the interview I heard) giving permission to make a printing. I imagine if it's just something that is expensive used and unattainable new the author would give the rights (if he/she has them). It's not an area I know a lot about though, maybe I'll try to research it tonight.

As for orders, yeah I might set up a paypal or something this weekend if there is enough interest.

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Nov 19 2010 00:39

Ditto

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Nov 19 2010 00:39

to the previous post, that is

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Nov 19 2010 01:21
jura wrote:
+1 for The Incomplete Marx by Felton Shortall. The available on-line versions are messed up and almost unreadable.

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Out of curiosity, what's wrong with the version in the libcom library?

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Nov 19 2010 03:33

Formatting is completely off, got lots of weird characters in words sometimes (throwback from the olden days of HTML). It's readable, but it's fucking annoying and not mention it costs a fortune to print out...

Tarwater: would the printers to the typesetting and all that or would we (i.e. you) have to provide them with the completely finished text?

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Nov 19 2010 04:06

Very brief research suggests they work off pdf. files (exclusively?) It's a completely computerized system that takes approximately 6 minutes per book, so I imagine anything that needs to be done, is done by you...

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Nov 19 2010 04:20

This is off topic, but I thought that I would bring it up - does anyone know an efficient method to scan books that does not require destroying the binding? Is there any software that corrects flatbed scanned documents into a smoother format? I ask because there are some texts that I like to scan up, such as Paresh Chattopadhyay 'The Marxian Concept of Capital and the Soviet Experience', which is expensive to buy and absent from any site (to my knowledge).

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Nov 19 2010 04:26
Tarwater wrote:
Very brief research suggests they work off pdf. files (exclusively?) It's a completely computerized system that takes approximately 6 minutes per book, so I imagine anything that needs to be done, is done by you...

Ok. Good to know. I guess those of us that want to get a copy of Incomplete Marx can go through the text to format it properly and at least get rid of the annoying characters. Thanks for offering to ship stuff btw. Really appreciated.

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Nov 19 2010 10:58

Naughtonomist, in case you're using Linux, Scan Tailor is a fantastic piece of software which takes raw scanned images, detects and splits pages, straightens them, fixes orientation, removes empty margins, increases contrast and spits out a PDF. It takes some time to figure out how to use it, but it's well worth it. The results look great and the files are small. (BTW, with big books with tough binding, like Chattopadhyay's, I'd suggest scanning one page at a time).j

Looking at the software's webpage, it seems like there's a version for Windows as well.

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Nov 19 2010 11:25
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I ask because there are some texts that I like to scan up, such as Paresh Chattopadhyay 'The Marxian Concept of Capital and the Soviet Experience', which is expensive to buy and absent from any site (to my knowledge).

in this case try to contact p. ch. i asked him some years ago for other his piece which was not available on internet and he sent me friendly reply with that text in word.

beside i can just second shortall´s book (two copies for me, please! smile )

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Nov 19 2010 16:29

jura, thanks for scan tailor, it is exactly what I was looking for. Would libcom be able to host such files, or would there be copyright problems?

guadia, thanks for the advice, i had heard that he is very generous, but I used his book mainly as an example of a text that is expensive + hard to find.

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Nov 20 2010 07:20
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I'm doing some work at the moment on pre-Tokugawa Japan

I hope you post links to it on here in the Japan section when you're done smile

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Nov 20 2010 10:17
Tarwater wrote:
Now that there is this machine near my house, does anyone have any recommendations for out of print books I should make up? It's relatively cheap ($8-100 pgs, $2 for each additional 100) I'll be digging through the library here for longer things but any suggestions are welcome. Could also do a job for anyone interested here, if they were willing to pay shipping. It's supposed to be publishing house quality, albeit paperback.

I think that they must be pretty common as we have had then here in Ankara for about five years. maybe they are more common here though as there is a bit less respect for copyright laws here. A book cost between 10 and 15 TL (half that for Euro).

Devrim

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Nov 20 2010 10:24
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I'm doing some work at the moment on pre-Tokugawa Japan

I hope you post links to it on here in the Japan section when you're done :)

What? And be accused of everything from 'simplistic individualist narration' to 'turgid structuralist determinism'! I'm not sure my fragile ego could take the cutting insults to my precious baby!

Seriously, I've thought for years that I should try to understand why Japan, uniquely, managed to avert colonial conquest and, in the space of a couple of generations, to go from a 'Feudal' economy with samurai armour and swords, to a marine superpower with a superb aircraft carrier fleet able to attack 'Pearl Harbor' (sic). It seems as improbable as the grandkids of Robin Hood and his Merry Men developing light-sabres and phasers to replace swords and arrows.

The key seems, so far to me, to be in the Tokugawa regime, its Tributary Mode of Production, the removal from the land of the samurai and their new role as state bureaucrats, the growth of an autonomous commerce and petty production for the market, and the looming threat of the tremendous military power of the West. But I could be wrong...

Anyway, I'm only in the initial stages, and I'm also using it as a means to improve my knowledge of, and ability to use, some of Marx's historical theories, as well as to criticise the nonsense of thinkers like Weber, and his epigones.

Whether my child-like approach of step-by-step construction of historical explanation will prove to be either useful or interesting, I don't know. I certainly have no poetic abilities.

Perhaps, as a historian, I'll make a good bricklayer.

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Nov 20 2010 11:04

Hi all,
Regarding Shortall's Incomplete Marx,

the version that's online on libcom has the following problems --apart from weird html/missing characters etc--:
--there's no quotation marks or some type of formatting for the quotes. So one
has trouble understanding where quoted parts start and where they end.
--there's no italics, bold etc. See the book's first pages on Amazon.
--some section formatting is missing
-- figures etc are absent.

For all these reasons, and given the fact that it's a totally fascinating (but price-wise completely out of reach for most of us) book on Marx, a new scanned version of Incomplete Marx would be of great use.

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Nov 20 2010 18:28

I can get hold of a copy of Incomplete Marx through interlibrary loan. I could do the scanning/updating of the libcom text as a x-mas project.

But wouldn't it be easier to get it from Shorthall himself? Isn't he in Aufheben?

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Nov 20 2010 18:36
Khawaga wrote:
I can get hold of a copy of Incomplete Marx through interlibrary loan. I could do the scanning/updating of the libcom text as a x-mas project.

But wouldn't it be easier to get it from Shorthall himself? Isn't he in Aufheben?

i think there may be plans to do this already... ?

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Nov 22 2010 02:06

LBird- I have a similar interest- particularly in the preformed monopoly capitalism business organization during a Feudal-Mercantile mode of production in the form of the Zaibatsu. Though the unification of Japan and standardization of language and culture, totalitarian social and economic organization, and as you mentioned the transitional position of the samurai class were all extremely important factors to the development of Japanese capitalism, state capitalism and imperialism (as opposed to China, which was simply pillaged and divied up for centuries). Anyway, I don't think you need to worry about an ego crushing, multi-page polemic from a Japanese Studies professor on Libcom. But you never know.

Another rare and expensive book that might be of interest:

The Third Rome: National Bolshevism In The USSR by Mikhail Agursky.

http://www.amazon.com/Third-Rome-National-Bolshevism-USSR/dp/0813301394

Used copies start at $389.08 on Amazon.

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Nov 24 2010 09:55

this is actually great news, I' m sure a lot of people would appreciate it if someone could do the hard (and quite boring) job of making a proper version of Incomplete Marx available to all.

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Jan 18 2011 05:41

I'm reading a copy of The Incomplete Marx at the moment. Even the hard copy has not been copy-edited properly and the binding of the Avery Press edition is hopeless, with pages becoming loose very easily.

This is a very important book for the cause of libertarian Marxism, and I think it's important that it be reprinted --perhaps with a new up-to-date introduction -- & properly copy-edited, in paperback with good binding, and reasonably priced.

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Jan 18 2011 12:04

PS to my last post (Jan 18, 2011):

If a new edition of The Incomplete Marx is to be published, it should also include an updated bibliography -- and an INDEX.

(Please forgive me comrades; I'm a librarian)

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Jul 22 2011 15:11

Hi, any updates on the progress of getting a better version of Incomplete Marx online?

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Sep 20 2011 04:07
jura wrote:
Hi, any updates on the progress of getting a better version of Incomplete Marx online?

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