yarr jimlad! pirates and anarchism
May 31 2007 13:39
now i don't normally read Do or Die, but i found an article on the internet and found it interesting:
Pirate Utopias: Under the Banner of King Death
i know this is no doubt an over-romanticised verysion of what piracy was really like, but i just thought i'd flag it as something interesting and entertaining to read in those long lonely ours aboard ship... 
May 31 2007 13:43
#2
that whole sea shepherd thing at the bottom is a bit crazy though...
May 31 2007 13:45
#3
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iirc 'pirate utopias' is a hakim bey term
well, yeah, this is do or die we're talking about... i just found it quite a good read about something i hadn't really heard about before
May 31 2007 14:05
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May 31 2007 14:18
#5
ftony wrote:
now i don't normally read Do or Die
lies.
May 31 2007 15:12
#6
Indeed, we have a pirates archive!
http://libcom.org/tags/pirates
I meant to add that DoD piece ages ago... if someone else can do it that'd be great!
Create content > library
May 31 2007 16:52
#7
Tacks wrote:
ftony wrote:
now i don't normally read Do or Dielies.
but, but you swore you'd never tell a soul! 
May 31 2007 16:53
#8
John. wrote:
Indeed, we have a pirates archive!
http://libcom.org/tags/pirates
blimey! 
don't think i have content-creation privileges do i?
May 31 2007 23:15
#9
Yes ftony, you do.
The "create content" link in the main menu should show the options.
Jun 1 2007 02:07
#10
Joseph K. wrote:
iirc 'pirate utopias' is a hakim bey term
anyone know is that 'many headed hydra' book any good, i've been told it's a good read
I haven't read "Many headed Hydra" but there was a longish essay by Rediker and Linebaugh of the same name in "Gone To Croatan" which is a fascinating read. I recomend the entire anthology actually. it has some dodgy bits, but even some of them, eg, Peter Lamborn Wilson aka Hakim Bey's contributions, offer a fun look into the odder corners of American history.
I scored! The essay is here
http://www.library.vanderbilt.edu/quaderno/Quaderno3/Q3.C12.Rediker.pdf
Jun 1 2007 08:18
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ftony wrote:
that whole sea shepherd thing at the bottom is a bit crazy though...
Why is this crazy?
Jun 1 2007 13:47
#12
nice one ftony, you're a diamond.
Jun 1 2007 16:54
#13
I don't know how pissy they might be about copyright and such, but should the Many-Headed Hydra pice be added? I'll do it later if so
Jun 1 2007 17:53
#14
ftony wrote:
now i don't normally read Do or Die, but i found an article on the internet and found it interesting:Pirate Utopias: Under the Banner of King Death
i know this is no doubt an over-romanticised verysion of what piracy was really like, but i just thought i'd flag it as something interesting and entertaining to read in those long lonely ours aboard ship... :)
I don't know if it is over-romanticised or not, but our union has published it in a book form in a "phantom of liberty" edition of our publishing house (http://inicijativa.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=distro).
We did it for the same reason we published "Communist manifesto" - for money, and we can tell you it is selling good, with all this hype about Pirates of the Caribians etc. We have like a free propaganda for the topic. =;)
Jun 1 2007 20:01
#15
Rediker's new(ish) book 'Villains of All Nations' covers the pirate ground of his 'Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea' book in better detail. He had an article 'Under the banner of king death' published in the William and Mary Journal, which was the basis for it. His work with Linebaugh has been good, though Christopher Hill did something similar with his 'Liberty Against the Law' and manages to include a wider variety of topics. A great wee introduction to piracy can still be got for a couple of pounds from Bargain Books and the like - 'The Wordsworth Dictionary of Pirates' by Jan Rogozinski, it's part of the Wordsworth cheap re-prints. Outside of all the fanciful stuff out there, piracy is not a bad thing to study for anarchists. The Irish maritime historian de Courcy Ireland always used to encourage people to study the history of seafaring with the idea that 'the land divides but the sea unites'.
Jun 2 2007 09:17
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David in Atlanta wrote:
I don't know how pissy they might be about copyright and such, but should the Many-Headed Hydra pice be added? I'll do it later if so
should be ok, can always remove it later and you can include a link to the source so they might get more traffic/better google rank
Jun 2 2007 21:39
#17
Well i would have done, but the pdf file seems to be one huge jpeg or something. Won't let me cut text.
And i'm way too lazy to transcribe the whole thing.
http://www.library.vanderbilt.edu/quaderno/Quaderno3/Q3.C12.Rediker.pdf
there's the link again
Jun 2 2007 21:43
#18
probably a locked pdf, they do that to stop you copy and pasting - you can attach pdfs to library uploads though if you want to write a brief intro for it 
Jun 2 2007 21:46
#19
Nah that's just a huge, huge jpg. I hate it when people do that.
David - if you were feeling enthusiastic, you could print it, scan it back in, and OCR - or even send the PDF directly to an OCR programme. Then you'll end up with plain text. Or like JK says, stick it in the library as it is, we've got a few PDFs like that that no-one's had time to OCR and reformat.
Jun 2 2007 23:56
#20
sneaky chap that I am, i found the article as html on google cache. it'll be uploaded before the evenings over
Argh, me hearties!
Jun 4 2007 09:03
#21
I did a standalone pamphlet version of the DoD article a few years ago - you can find at it: http://treason.metadns.cx/ then click on pamphlets. However cutting and pasting images from PDF into Pagemaker left them a bit fuzzy though you can still read it if you don't mind the headache.
Jun 5 2007 14:15
#22
Yeah, I don't really get what the Sea Shepard has to do with pirates, aside from both of them being into boats. And captained by self-important, egotistical men.
Jun 6 2007 11:24
#23
both live in defiance of the existing Establishment/ruling class and their lawes, status quo etc, in a purely marine context, i guess, only the latter has a formalised political agenda, the former an immanent one through force of circumstances
iirc 'pirate utopias' is a hakim bey term
anyone know is that 'many headed hydra' book any good, i've been told it's a good read