CIA was supporting terroristmovements in Peru 1980 -1992 . Read the book
CIA Sendero Luminoso Guerra Politica de
Andreo Matias and YOu will understand why !
Nov 20 2006 14:18
Nov 20 2006 17:15
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CIA was supporting terroristmovements in Peru 1980 -1992 . Read the book
CIA Sendero Luminoso Guerra Politica de
Andreo Matias and YOu will understand why !
Nov 22 2006 20:23
Yes is very possible that masonery was colaborating too.
To destroy all reforms of Velasco Government and the constitucion of year 1979. Shining Path was used to
destroy Indian comunities as potential focuses of comunists
as opinion of antropologs of PeaceCorps. Peruvian militars
where trained in School of Americas (Fort Gullick Panama)
for the conflict of low intensity with covert actions (maoism). So CIA is supporting a great cuantity of terrorist
movements and in the same time saying that USA is fighting
against them.
Truthcommission no 2
Nov 22 2006 20:27
there was apparently high level state collaboration with sendero luminoso death squads, who after all wiped out most of the grass roots left, urban and andean. so it's plausible
Nov 22 2006 20:37
Do you think that indians ,which lived thousands of years in
communitys must be killd because of their style of living.
Must be your way of thinking that the most quickly prosess
of modernizacion is to kill those underdeveloped ?
Nov 22 2006 20:44
huaraca wrote:
Do you think that indians ,which lived thousands of years in communitys must be killd because of their style of living.
absolutely not. i'm against the shining path and against the state 
i went to peru for 2 months this year, and the andean people were very hostile to the state 
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no en absoluto. soy contra sendero luminoso y contra el estado
fui a Perú por 2 meses este año, y los pueblos andeana era muy hostil al estado
Nov 22 2006 21:26
Claro depende en que zona estabas. Los empleados del estado siempre han explotado a los campesinos. La gente de la sierra no se identifican con el gobierno central ni mestizo ni menos con los blancos. Yo estaba 27 anos en el Peru y
las ultimas investgaciones hize en la selva central ,donde
miles de ashaninkas fueron asesinados por el ejercito y
quizas senderistas o gente que usaba ese titulo de su pandilla.
Nov 22 2006 21:36
pienso que entiendo, ¡hablo solamente un poco español! pero escriblo con los dos idiomas para entender más fácil
Yes, it probably depends on which area. When i was in Huaraz, campesinos blockaded the roads in and out of the city 'against the law' 'which law?' i asked. 'the law in general' i was told
si, depende en que zona probablemente. cuando fui a Huaraz, los campesinos bloqueado todos los caminos alrededor de la ciudad 'contra la ley'. ¿qué ley? dije. 'la ley generalemente' dijeron
Nov 23 2006 08:24
Perhaps your knowledges of peruvian reality are not so complete. In Huaraz is the problem of mining activities and
pollution because of that.
You can find webs of SL in Google:
Bank Credit Commerce International namebase org
click article of Namebase
click "Social Network DIagram
The situacion of maoists in Nepal must be some similar as in Peru. Only difference is that Ghurkas are trained in
militarbases of GB and M16. Peruvians (2000) had their studies in Fort Gullick (School of Americas) Panama.
Nov 23 2006 08:30
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Perhaps your knowledges of peruvian reality are not so complete.
sure, i just had a glimpse and speak little spanish and no quechua.
however, to me it isn't really important if the sendero or Nepalese maoists are directly controlled by the CIA/MI6 or not - they act against working class (broadly, including campesinos etc) interests, and are happy to become the new managers of capital given the chance (see Nepal). My opinion of the CIA or Sendero wouldn't be any worse if it turned out they were collaborating.
Nov 23 2006 08:44
Another direccion in Google :
Fernando Belaunde Terry namebase org
click article of Belaunde of namebase
click social network diagram
I think the method used of western countries to modernizase
Peru was no so correct thinking of side of Peruvians.Twelwe
years of terror and 69.000 killed people.And untill to day
they no have any right to know the truth ,because the
commission of truth was payed of CIA , too (USAID)
Nov 23 2006 08:51
yes 'modernising' is a very violent process, to turn a peasant/campesino agricultural population into a modern working class requires great state terror - as with the enclosures and witch hunts in europe before the industrial revolution. it's not the only way to 'develop', but it seems the most profitable for the bosses.
Apr 30 2011 05:41
This may not be new to anyone else, but somehow should be given attention to. A brand new Secretary of Defense is needed and Leon Panetta, Director of the CIA, has been named to the post. The Obama administration is said to be replacing Panetta with General David Petraeus, commander of allied forces in Afghanistan. Robert Gates, retained from the Bush administration, wants to depart his post this summer.
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