Anarchism suggested reading?

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Dec 1 2004 09:25
joehill wrote:
How about The Communist Manifesto (K Marx & F Engels)? Good place to start for apprentices.

Love , Joe

What, and call for banks to be nationalised? that's just letfitst bollocks that is not in any way anarchist.

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Dec 1 2004 11:33
nastyned wrote:
joehill wrote:
How about The Communist Manifesto (K Marx & F Engels)? Good place to start for apprentices.

Love , Joe

What, and call for banks to be nationalised? that's just letfitst bollocks that is not in any way anarchist.

It's still a good intro to socialist/class struggle ideas. It made me a socialist anyway.

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Dec 1 2004 11:43

And then you joined a trot group didn't you?

There's a big difference between leftism and anarchism and this thread is titled 'anarchism suggested reading'.

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Dec 1 2004 11:56
nastyned wrote:
And then you joined a trot group didn't you?

Only cos I'd never heard of anarchism. I didn't become a trot...

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Dec 1 2004 12:14

C'mon nastyned you cant just right off the Commie Manifesto because its not written by someone who defined themselves as an anarchist.

Its still a fucking hugely influential text which is definetly worth having a look at, just at least to see what the fuss is about!

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Dec 1 2004 13:20

The thread is called 'Anarchism suggested reading'. Marx and Engels were extremely hostile to anarchism. The communist manifesto is also riddled with leftist nonsense. I can't see why anyone would recommend it someone who is new to anarchism and wants to know more about it.

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Dec 1 2004 14:12
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Anarchism - by a writer with the fabolous name of George Woodcock

A book about the Anarchist ideas that seems to be written by someone who isnt an Anarchist which also means more toughtprovoking criticism of the material.

the funny thing is he is supposed to be an anarchist grin

Oh man! Thats hillarious. smile

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Dec 1 2004 14:18

Maybie som crimethincmaterial.

Days of war nights of love

Evasion

Breaking free

Anarchy in the age of the dinosaurs

Fighting for our lifes(can be ordered for free from www.crimethinc.com)

Maybie some situationism also. Might be good to read Marx first tough.

Society of the spectacle

I know some good books at the swedish federativa förlag that was published in the begining of the last centuary but maybie they wont be intersting since they are in swedish and probably tricky to get.

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Dec 1 2004 14:52
Wendal wrote:
Maybie som crimethincmaterial.

oh dear...

well let's go through it

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Days of war nights of love

glorifies a fascist, lies, makes stuff up, generally talking crap

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Evasion

Written by a misanthropic fuckwit who wants the majority of the population to die "in the most horrible pain and suffering"

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Breaking free

not seen it - I'm sure it's shit though wink

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Anarchy in the age of the dinosaurs

unreadable pap

albeit with a sexy cover

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Fighting for our lifes

hmmm not actually that bad i'm sad to say... very poetic shit

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Society of the spectacle

Ha ha ha! Good one grin

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Dec 1 2004 15:43

Q:How do you kill 30% of the users on this forum?

A: You write primitivism and situationism on a wall and watch them bang their had against it in blind rage.

smile

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Dec 1 2004 16:11

I think days of war nighs of blurgh has some good stuff on gender but thats about it... some of the stuff in there is just dodgy...

Havent seen the other stuff but talking of breaking free, the tintin comic rules... get it!

And i dont think you should be allowed to put Society Of and some crimethinc books in the same post... its just plain wrong!

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Dec 1 2004 17:16

Ah! i acidentlty mixed up the names. I agree that breaking free with tintin is a great book ecspecially for beginers.

The crimethinc book i was thinking of was Off the map

I think that days of war would be an inspiring and toughtprovoking book for most people to read.

I dont get the whole deal with the language in society of the spectacle and the communist manifesto tough. Some of the things in the books could be so easily said in other ways and if they realy aim their material at the proleteriat and just not want to impress other academical marxists then way dont they use the most simple way to say stuff. The swedish language has a whole lot less words than the english and even with our language it would be easy to write the communist manifesto and maybie even parts of the society of the spectacle in a way that anyone could understand it. The same goes for Empire by Negri which by the way is another good book to check out although it helps to read Marxs and some philosophy before.

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Dec 1 2004 17:35

As much of a good reason to read a book as any. wink

Seriously tough i think that book has a loot to give. Its about time for an update on the comunist manifesto and therefore the empire and society of the spectacle is usefull. Negri seems to have some parlamentarian ideas tough which i dont agree with but there is a lot of intresting and good studies in the book to be found if you can get through the academical gibberish.

The whole idea of having a word that includes not only the working class but also the midleclass is good since the midleclass has become poorer and the workingclass smaller and they both have a lot to win on geting rid of the upperclass. The word proleteriat makes everyone who dont have a mother and father who brush toilets the whole day feel some guilt for the economical privilage they grow up in. Its also makes it harder for them to understand they also have loads to win on getting rid of class and capitalism.

That he points out that many shity jobs today is in service ,catering and communication. Nowadays people in the factories of the rich world(a word that Negri would refuse to use but you know what i mean) have a whole lot better wage than someone working for a telemarketing-companys.

Another important fact he presents is that many revolutions who stops in a land always ends up sooner or later as communist dictotarship or capitalist states. To avoid that the revolution most constantly grow.

This is just a snapshot of the material and there is loads of other things in the book that i think is good and enlightening to read.

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Jan 11 2005 05:33

"The Spanish Anarchists, The Heroic Years 1868-1936" By Murray Bookchin

" Anarchism: From Theory to Practice" by Daniel Guerin Avalible for free at the South African anarchist site Zabalaza Books.

http://www.zabalaza.net/pdfs/varpams/anarchism_dg.pdf

"Remaking Society" by Bookchin

"Anarchism And Other Essays" by Emma Goldman, available as a pdf file at :

http://manybooks.net/authors/goldmane.html

"Mutal Aid" by Peter Kropotkin is available as a free e-book at:

http://manybooks.net/titles/kropotkietext03mtlad10.html

Other books that are not specifically about anarchism but mention anarchism or anarchist events, people, etc.

"A People's History Of The United States" by Howard Zinn

"The Rebel, an essay on man in revolt" by Albert Camus, 1956 edition with the introduction by Herbert Read

"Days Of Our Years" By Pierre Van Passant (Has a great chapter describing the authors experiences with Durutti and the anarchist militia during the initial days of the 1936 July military revolt in Barcelona.)

"The Spanish Civil War" by Anthony Beevor

"Zapata And The Mexican Revolution" by John Womack (I especially enjoyed the chapter on the Morelos Commune of 1915)

"Fast Food Nation: The Dark Side of the All-American Meal" by Eric Schlosser

A whole bunch of anarchist pdf files can be found for downloading at:

http://www.anarchism.ws/pdf.html

One thing I would like to know? Does anyone here know if the Anarchist FAQ is available in print form? And if it is where can I get it?

Thanks, Owen

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Jan 24 2005 00:50

the English Working Class, A L Morton.

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Jan 24 2005 14:20

Some of the stuff in "Days of War.." is awesome, some of it is crap.It's worth a read I think.

Evasion looked dire. Couldnt bring myself to read it. Altho there is one classic line that goes something like..

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I realised just then that I had lived the fullest, most exciting life of anyone ever.

eek grin grin

*wets self laughing*

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Homelessness. Unemployment. Poverty. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right...

says it all really

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Jan 26 2005 00:29

I think that should read 'A People's History of England' Joe?

Joe Hill
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Jan 26 2005 01:24

I just read (yesterday) Kim Philby's 'My Silent War'. A great fascinating read, all about MacLean (who was in the US Embassy in Washington, Guy Burgess etc) and all the detail, but not easily available (of course). (For anyone, not just commies.) As is the AL Morton book, which I found out is in the Special Collection in Glasgow Uni ( A people's History of England). But I have it

Also, the broadest possible reading is best for our own edification.

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Feb 26 2005 22:55

I finally got 'Island' by Aldous Huxley from the library today (it was in the 'back'- more evidence of a labour plot). Looks really good, but can't remember who recommended it - thanks anyway.

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Mar 11 2005 15:44

I'd definately recommend 'Unfinished Business - The Politics Of Class War', spot on, the best I've read to date.

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Mar 14 2005 07:58

I have just finished reading Hardt and Negri's new book Multitude, a little bit like Empire in many ways, some great ideas in parts but still falls short in how it all comes together.

Also the Ego and His Own by Max Stirner, this is a difficult book to read, yet brilliant because it was the written by the only contemporary of Marx whose ideas were a challenge to Marx's work and caused him to spend numerous pages denouncing him.

I also enjoyed Our Word is Our Weapon, edited thoughts and writings of Sub Marcos.

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Mar 14 2005 10:37
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Also the Ego and His Own by Max Stirner, this is a difficult book to read, yet brilliant because it was the written by the only contemporary of Marx whose ideas were a challenge to Marx's work and caused him to spend numerous pages denouncing him.

I think Bakunin would have something to say about that, being ejected from the international for one.

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Mar 14 2005 12:40

I've not studied Marx/Bakunin but I remember that Stirner got Marx rattled with the 'fixed idea'.

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Also the Ego and His Own by Max Stirner, this is a difficult book to read, yet brilliant because it was the written by the only contemporary of Marx whose ideas were a challenge to Marx's work and caused him to spend numerous pages denouncing him.

I think Bakunin would have something to say about that, being ejected from the international for one.

As would Proudhon, who had the pleasure of having a whole book devoted to attacking his ideas, and those others alongside "Saint Max" who were the targets in The German Ideology or The Holy Family.

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Mar 14 2005 17:12

He only gave Max both barrels though

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Also the Ego and His Own by Max Stirner, this is a difficult book to read, yet brilliant because it was the written by the only contemporary of Marx whose ideas were a challenge to Marx's work and caused him to spend numerous pages denouncing him.

I think Bakunin would have something to say about that, being ejected from the international for one.

As would Proudhon, who had the pleasure of having a whole book devoted to attacking his ideas, and those others alongside "Saint Max" who were the targets in The German Ideology or The Holy Family.

there wouldn't havre been much point in marx spending too much time dismissing proudhon, i mean proudhon was simply an anti-semetic misogynist petit-bourgeois lunatic

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Mar 19 2005 12:50
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Also the Ego and His Own by Max Stirner, this is a difficult book to read, yet brilliant because it was the written by the only contemporary of Marx whose ideas were a challenge to Marx's work and caused him to spend numerous pages denouncing him.

I think Bakunin would have something to say about that, being ejected from the international for one.

As would Proudhon, who had the pleasure of having a whole book devoted to attacking his ideas, and those others alongside "Saint Max" who were the targets in The German Ideology or The Holy Family.

there wouldn't havre been much point in marx spending too much time dismissing proudhon, i mean proudhon was simply an anti-semetic misogynist petit-bourgeois lunatic

Nevertheless, the book was written.

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Apr 19 2005 17:01

I'd recommend Marge Piercy's novel The Woman at the Edge of Time an well as The Free (tho I can't remember the author M. Baudll...summat). They're both fiction but they examine liberatory ideas really well. Days of War .... First time I read it (a few years back) I loved it but I recently re-acquired it and thought it a load of pap, Anarchism for skate kids. Most of the other books I'd recommend have already been mentioned but fuck the manifesto...commie shite smile star green black Not that Ive got owt against skate kids, some of my best mates enjoy injuring themselves in public smile

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Apr 20 2005 05:59
cantdocartwheels wrote:
there wouldn't havre been much point in marx spending too much time dismissing proudhon, i mean proudhon was simply an anti-semetic misogynist petit-bourgeois lunatic

Doesn't sound that different from Marx then... Anyway the point is both had interesting ideas, and Marx considered Proudhon's enough of a threat to write loads about them.