Deep Ecology?

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lucy82
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Sep 15 2004 11:50

shit, just deleted my post by accident. i am ill and talking in rhyme

lucy82
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Sep 15 2004 11:51

JDMF, sorry didn't mean to delete. where did ya go?

lucy82
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Sep 15 2004 11:57

ok i'll say it again.

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I hardly every bother coming to this site anymore, and people i know can't be bothered with it either, because of the lack of space for discussion without some kneejerk prick screaming 'primmo' .

shellls, don't go.

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Most anarchist journals are so tedious, peddling a one 'true' ideological line

forums can get like that to. i might or might not agree with you but stay around and shout back.

shit, can't remember the end. it was the best bit....

lucy82
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Sep 15 2004 12:03

got it...

ghettoising debate isn't useful.

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Sep 15 2004 13:21

what about if you debating ghettos?

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Sep 15 2004 14:22
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i mean people don't actually sit down and think primivitism would make anarchism more relevant to people lives do they?

Why is anarchism irrelevant to people's lives? Is being hostile, angry, prejudicial, reactionary, narrow-minded and ignorant the "revol68" solution? What a fuckin waste of time. "revol68", Captain Sadness and others are not part of ANY "movement". They are, if anything, part of a "staying-still" where they can happily pretend to be powerful, knowledgeable and incisive but just behave like they're in a fuckin playground. "Yeah, bring it on and we'll criticise it and you, then sit back smugly and take another suck at the caoitalist titty."

Of course that was all just light-hearted banter.

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Sep 15 2004 14:27

revol, because people like you I didn't use to bother coming to this board either (i call myself anarcho syndicalist, but i'm involved in EF style of stuff too). Too many threads are such a depressing read. The constant name calling and cursing is enough to put anyone off.

Bully boys win again neutral

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Sep 15 2004 14:35
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i mean people don't actually sit down and think primivitism would make anarchism more relevant to people lives do they?

revol, fuckin behave and don't start on the anti-irish bit or i'll bite you. wink

u can stick a broad church anywhere you want to. maybe people do want to sit down and think about whether primitivism makes anarchism more relevant.

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primivitism is definatly state sponsored disinformation

fuckin hell, all that money and thats the best they can do?

JDMF there ain't no bully boys. argue back.

jesus. and i'm a girl

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Sep 15 2004 16:09

^ I think that's class struggle 1, individualism 0.

alan partridge
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Sep 15 2004 16:17

back of the net!

redyred
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Sep 15 2004 16:38

I like to assume Revol pulled his t-shirt over his face and ran around the room with his hands in the air after posting that.

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Sep 15 2004 16:55

Lol the identity of that alan partridge character looks a bit... suspicious...

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Sep 15 2004 17:02

revol, i just wonder if you would talk like that if we were talking face to face thats all.

lucy82
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Sep 15 2004 17:58

or it could be socialist party 1, anarchists 0...

or even trots 1, anarchists 0

no i won't go on, the lack of a class analysis is too painful.

and where the fuck did the neo-liberals come from?

squats are about a hell of a lot more than puppet shows and i've never yet been kissed by a silly hippie in a love costume.

whats the water tax then? speaking as a niave fuckwit with no understanding of any shit really....

dammit, knew i should of read those fuckin books. bringin up two kids on me own on the social most of the time just don't count.

whats a love costume then? i swear thats not in the books

did marx wear one?

Mr. T

might be useful if we stop pissing people off unless you really wanna sleep with the trots???

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Sep 15 2004 22:15

revol68, you shouldn't confuse primitivists with hippies. admittedly there's possibly a marginally larger proportion of anarcho-primmies who are hippies than anarcho-commies who are hippies, but i've met plenty of hippes anarcho-commies, and of the two real anarcho-primmies i know, one of them is a proper hardcore class struggle working class anarchist too. the difference is that primitivists want to go what you and i think is too far in the old durruti-style "ruins? why should we who have built everything be afraid of ruins" thang. and without the "we can build it all again a thousand times better without masters".

and while i do occasionally enjoy your over the top style, there is such a thing as the concept of "less is more" (as an example of why this is needed, look at anything produced by australia class war... yes, i liked it when i was seventeen, but really, you don't need that large a guns to non-guns ratio). i'm not necessarily criticising your arguements, cos i'll do that someday when i'm sobre and can be arsed, but you are a bit overly agressive in pretty much all your posts. if i try and imagine posting as someone new to the concept of non-hierarchy etc. etc., i think i would be quite put off by the way that anyone who suggests anything outside of a very narrow box of thinking being instantly insulted and barraged with vitriol, rather than friendly arguement.

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i'd rather work with trots than primmies or lifestylers

while i have no particular love for hippies, i think this is in the long term a tactical mistake. lifestylists will never gain power (thank fuck). trots on the other hand have, do, and in some places (probably not the uk) will, and anarchists are among the first to be shot/tortured/whatever, if they are effective. trots are authoritarians, and regardless of their analysis of current systems, they are filth and should be left well alone.

primitivists, when they not just saying it to sound cool to hippies, often have class analysis, practical ideas, and are willing and disciplined to get there hands dirty, if they WANT to work with you. and if not, then they're off forming tribes or "rewilding" themselves, so they don't get in your way. there are far more important targets for your skilled vitriol than primitivists, not least because no one outside of anarchist/radical ecological circles have heard of them. you act as if every time people hear "anarchist" they think of primies. i doubt they do, it seems more likely they think of genoa-esque streetfighting, or more likely still, johnny rotten.

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stick a broad church up their arse

is that a promise? grin

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Sep 16 2004 08:34
revol68 wrote:
hippies i hate for their smelly self righteousness, sandals and general being.

hey, don't know about sandals, but you are one of the most self righteous person i've had the pleasure to meet for a long time! Perhaps the safety of the computer screen doesn't do you justice and in real life you are a really nice person, who knows.

Shit, i've always made jokes about hippies and stuff, perhaps because they are an easy target, but spending few weeks on this board i've changed my mind totally. Give me a hippie or two anytime over self righteous anarcho puritans!

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Sep 16 2004 13:01
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Give me a hippie or two anytime over self righteous anarcho puritans!

Weren't the anarcho-puritans a political offshoot of the Straight Edge movement?

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Sep 16 2004 21:47
redyred wrote:
JDMF wrote:
Give me a hippie or two anytime over self righteous anarcho puritans!

Weren't the anarcho-puritans a political offshoot of the Straight Edge movement?

lol

and i'm not rising to the bait tongue

john

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Sep 28 2004 12:00

I'm studying deep ecology at the moment, and if anyone wants to read some proper academic books on it, the ones to read are Freya Mathews 'The ecological self' and Arne Naess 'Ecology, community and lifestyle'.

You see, revol68, it's quite a good idea to read things before you diss them. maybe you should go to www.pullyourheadoutofyourass.com and you might get an idea of the real world. just a thought...

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Sep 30 2004 16:39

I have not read those books but I will try to even if I tend to be disapointed by academic writing on ecology. What do people here think about Graham Purchase as a theorist?

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Nov 22 2004 12:40
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go read some marx u fuckin idiot.

I've finally found a maxim by which I can live my life circle A

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Nov 26 2004 15:13

Hey everybody this is the Beginners' Thought forum

We should be trying to be informative and extra nice.