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Sep 25 2005 09:03

Nah I wasn't venturing an opinion overall regarding yay or nay on supermarkets (except the minor cop-out of 'depends on the circumstances', which I've said all along) in the current setting. In the long term I reckon monopolistic cartels will be bad for us, regardless of how they work now, but I don't think that's a particularly controversial thing to say.

What I've mostly been doing so far is finding out whether I personally should shop with them, which I've kind of decided I shouldn't (cos I'm prepared to make the effort to hunt around for better deals and better food/nutrition, and I have enough money that I reckon I can afford to pay a bit extra even if it's a bit more expensive).

Well in terms of small rural towns, yes alot do have a supermarket now, but there are alot of gutted towns around. With dockland/tourism places like you just mentioned, there is the supporting monetary bonus of a dedicated income which can sustain these places regardless of whether the town centre stays active. Hence 'depending on circumstance'. I reckon in general it comes down to sustainability.

If you think of a supermarket as providing a certain kind of service, at the cost of removing a large chunk of local money from circulation every month in profit, then it makes sense. Under those circumstances, a place like Ipswich can handle the loss, and most of the population benefits in the way I mentioned earlier. A place like Hadleigh, with a large tourism business, can also just about manage (though again, a colleague who regularly visits complains constantly that the town centre is dead). Others, like Stowmarket, which has a lot of big industry but few/no sources of outside funding to offset the impact Tescos has, are ghost towns.

I'd reckon the demographic is larger than you think, because the above can also apply to some quite major connurbations, particularly up north where as we know, the destruction of the big mining centres did a hell of a lot of damage and something like a Tescos would just make that worse.

Edit: Trust me, if you're a kid growing up in a rural town the last thing you are thinking is 'how lucky I am'. Mostly its 'I'm so bored I could shoot myself, oh christ don't tell me we're hanging around the town bench all day again, can't we burn a barn down or something?' Most people are just born and brought up in these places it's not so much a physical choice.

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Sep 26 2005 09:49

greets

minor complication

our two village shops are both franchises, ie one is happy shopper and the other is SPAR.

so we get the combination of crap products and range compared with big town supermarkets and market stalls.

i use lidl when i go to town - to buy their fresh veg (neither of the village shops sells decent veg - lack of demand apparently) and cheapo fruit'n'fibre

i go to tescos for their own brand veggie frozen stuff. (can't get locally)

also go to town for wholefood shop goodies.

(but only go to town every couple of months)

mal

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Sep 27 2005 14:50

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outside of london all local shops are expensive shite, and supermarkets are always better… …i still use iceland for some things

Corner shops trade price for convenience and stock stuff they know they can shift. Their newspapers, chocolate and cigs are all reasonably priced. Some supermarkets are local, Iceland and Somerfield are both in the highstreet. Tesco Metros are high street shops too. Then there’s Co-Ops and Spar, alongside the looser franchises and buying groups. It’s good to have plenty of shops within walking distance of your house. I like a town that’s got a bit of a buzz.

Forgive me for a little overstatement now. If you rarely leave New Cross, it’s not much different from living in Bristol. If you live in North Finchly it’s not that much different from living in a suburb of Reading.

Those committed to their reinvention as Londoners are about as likely to praise life in a cultural backwater as the Russians are of holding their hands up and admitting they were better off in the years of grey communism.

I haven’t been to London for ages. I’m coming up soon. What’s it like, nice? What’s so good about it? I might move up there, I’ve always fancied a flat in Pimlico.

Cheers my dears

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Sep 27 2005 16:18
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Forgive me for a little overstatement now. If you rarely leave New Cross, it’s not much different from living in Bristol. If you live in North Finchly it’s not that much different from living in a suburb of Reading.

what patent nonsense though, i actually do live in north finchley, but 2/3rds of my live is spent outside it, not through choice but by necessity, i.e. work, travelling to/from work, etc etc

there's a fair chance that someone could live in reading and work in reading, that chance is massively reduced if you apply the same thing to a part of london, you live there, but you can't work there

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Sep 27 2005 22:44

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i actually do live in north finchley

Indeed. I'm stalking you as it happens.

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but you can't work there

No local shops then?

Love

Chris

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Sep 28 2005 01:07
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Well yeah I'd go with Lidl/Aldi tbh if it comes to shopping for absolute cheapest, cos they market for cheaper than practically anyone else.

also, there are the mighty SUGARLAND SWEETS!

man, someone tell me where a Lidl is in central-ish london.

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Sep 28 2005 05:41
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i actually do live in north finchley

Indeed. I'm stalking you as it happens.

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but you can't work there

No local shops then?

Love

Chris

well there is a few yes, which if i worked in them i'd probably not be able to afford to live there anymore

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Sep 28 2005 07:49
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man, someone tell me where a Lidl is in central-ish london.

Put your postcode in here: -

http://www.lidl.co.uk/gb/home.nsf/pages/c.service.s.sts.index

and it'll tell you where your nearest one is.

Always glad to be of service. wink

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Sep 28 2005 18:38

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if i worked in them i'd probably not be able to afford to live there anymore

I'm not so sure. Shop keepers seem to do OK.

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Chris

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Sep 29 2005 11:11

ah i see, you mean i should apply for a job as a shop owner.......

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Sep 29 2005 11:19

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ah i see, you mean i should apply for a job as a shop owner.......

"Apply" is not a word you should allow into your occupational lexicon. Visualise the prize and seize what's yours. You do want to own the means of production, distribution and exchange, don't you?

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Sep 29 2005 11:35

indeed, although in connection with my merry band of brothers and sisters you know

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Sep 29 2005 14:15

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I say take it for yourself. If your siblings are unhappy with the way you run it, they can easily sequester it. I don't think they'll mind you occupying the shop exclusively and drawing a wage for your professional services. oisleep, logistics manager for Finchley North.

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Chris

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Sep 29 2005 14:47

North Finchley

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Sep 29 2005 22:08
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I say take it for yourself. If your siblings are unhappy with the way you run it, they can easily sequester it. I don't think they'll mind you occupying the shop exclusively and drawing a wage for your professional services. oisleep, logistics manager for Finchley North.

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Chris

I love how you don't even attempt to hide your grasping petite bourgeois nature.

Who wants to rise higher up the ranks of a steaming turd mountain, who wants to claim ownership of a pathetic piece of a dung heap?

Communism is that which turns manure into a flower bed and may a thousand red roses bloom from it.

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Sep 29 2005 23:06

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I love how you don't even attempt to hide your grasping petite bourgeois nature

That’s the socialism of the small peasant and master-craftsman for you.

Love

Chris

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Sep 30 2005 09:58

shouldn't this thread be moved to the general one, given a new title, "Where are you shopping now?"

maybe to be followed by "Which credit card are you using when you do your weekly online shop at Tesco's?"

In any case, Aldi rocks - cheaper, tastes the same and brilliant low price wine and spirits. Which leaves me enough money to nip down to Sainsbury's for the specials and then there's the local greengrocer/farm shops who shops at the market for me and is shit loads cheaper than any of the supermarkets