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so the new CSG are for libertarian socialism but libcom is for libertarian communism, and this forums just about socialism

what are the essential differences between libertarian socialism and libertarian communism?

The A word does seem to be rather being written out of existance doesn't it.................

It does indeed. Kids today. Tsk.

In my day, we used to be proud to call ourselves anarchists...... *drone*

no problem wit libertarian communism but the use of "socialism" by itself is fucking quite pathetic, fuck me half of europe is run by "socialist" parties.

socialsim is as about meaningless as feminism.

yeah, unless you prefix it with, "for libertarian" it's almost like calling yourself a bunch of kiddie fiddlers these days

eh? Yikes...I've got no problem calling myself a socialist, but only because I view socialism as something completely different from what the majority of people do. It's a bum term, much like libertarianism.

Why cant you guys just fucking say ANARCHISM?

i've no problem with socialism either

GOd, I kneeeeew you were going to do that. You could do it as easily for Socialism, Communism or Libertarianism, all of which are relevent. Still, Anarchism is a far better term.

By the way, it's http://www.crimethinc.com. -.org gives you a random cheap site with links to Jewish dating service.

colchester solidarity group - because we're worth it

or "libertarian communism" - like the ussr but with more members of the libertines... hence "anarcho-syndicalism/anarchist syndicalism". because only complete losers can come up with an example as to how THAT is associated with something unsavourable.

the man makes a good point

oh no. a spectre is haunting jack. it is the spectre of green anarchism. All the powers of libcom have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre

although to be honest a random jewish dating service sounds a hell of a lot more fun than libertarian communism.

possibly because most people don't know what the fuck it means.

any more or less than libertarian socialism though luce?

stop it. your talking in tongues.

a few threads on this board have shown that alot of people who think they know something about anarcho syndicalism don't know jack shit.

still waiting for you back-up your misinformed rant about Bookchin on that thread by the way

how else would he repel his waste products?

but i thought you hang about the fields with greenpeace protecting the crops man, these organisations seem right up your street

You'd rather be "associated"/work with these sort of people...?

http://www.socialism.org.uk

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/index.html

http://www.labour.org.uk/

http://www.swp.org.uk/

http://www.marxist.net/

http://www.wsws.org/

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yeah people might think your a wingnut if you say your an anarchist but atleast they don't think your a socially stunted teacher who wanks over a copy of "what is to be done".

..... and I also think people are more likely to say, "An anarchist, you say? Tell me, what does that involve precisely?" as opposed to thinking, "Best fuck off before this cunt tries to sell me a paper."

HEATHEN!!

The thing is, that IS socialism to most people whereas anarchism is relatively unknown except for its reputation of violence and chaos...which can be dispelled with a half-decent look into it. The dropping of anarchism pisses me off, that's our frickin' word.

Don't forget those bastards the Sex Pistols.

I find myself pretty annoyed with this change over and even more so with the rationale behind it. After all Green Anarchist might quietly dream of gulags and killing millions but 'socialists' have actually done this in living memory - and more than once. The crimes of the communist parties (and the social democrats) are a lot more relevant than the reactionary imaginings of a handful of beardy guys no one has ever heard of if your going to worry about the immediate impact of a single word.

Ultimately its another example of libcom (once) enrager evolving because the politics of the people running the site have evolved.

I suspect if peopel keep on commenting on this, the reply will be "love it or leave it".

How much longer before the star at the top of the page loses its black ½?

And before it disappears off the emoticon menu.........

In this case though I'm beginning to feel like evolving away from the site. They are entitled to do with it as they wish but I'm interested in it as an anarchist discussion board rather than a socialist one. If I want to argue with the SWP I use indymedia.ie which at least has around 20,000 viewers a day.

This forum used to say "everything about revolution", which was a bit lame. We thought libertarian communism might be a bit much for a welcoming introductory forum, and ideally this site we hope to be both broader and narrower than anarchism - narrower in that we're not bothered about non class struggle varieties and broader in that we hope to include independent/libertarian socialists and so on.

Every term is loaded (@revol68 in particular) and has negative baggage, and while all the alternative titles would also be ok, we felt that the socialism one best described what kind of questions people generally asked on here when they started out. We didn't think it was that important really, if people want it changed to something else we can do, cos we had some trouble thinking up how best to describe this forum for newcomers!