Nazi collaborator Sean Russell's memorial attacked in Dublin again
Jul 11 2009 12:11
32CSM clean it up
http://dublin32countysm.blogspot.com/2009/07/sean-russell-statue-attack.html
It is not as if their have never been in fascists in republican ranks or anything...
Jul 13 2009 23:22
#2
Any more info about this guy? Never heard about him..
Jul 14 2009 08:04
#3
Well, he wasn't a fascist for a start. He was an idiot, imho, but not a fascist.
Quote:
THE CONTROVERSIAL new Sean Russell statue at Fairview Park has been attacked by vandals just weeks after it was unveiled.
Graffiti calling Russell “Nazi Scum” was daubed on the statue last Tuesday in what is the third high profile attack on the statue.
The new bronze statue of IRA leader and alleged Nazi collaborator Sean Russell was erected last May in Fairview Park.
It replaced the previous stone statue which had its head and hand stolen in a politically motivated act of vandalism in 2004.
The new statue was financed and erected by the National Graves association, who say that attacks on Russell’s statue are motivated by ignorance.
In order to prevent vandalism the latest statue had been fitted with a number of high tech features including motion sensors and GPS satellite tracking.
Secretary of the NGA, Sean Whelan, swore that Russell was in fact involved in fighting Ireland’s own fascist Blueshirt movement.
“It is sad that people are letting young people believe that Sean Russell was a fascist,” he told Northside People.
“The National Graves Association would never erect a monument to a fascist, I myself have been a part of the left my whole life.”
“Sean Russell was accused of being a communist in the 50s and 60s. He went to Nazi Germany for weapons to fight the British but he also went to Soviet Russia and the United States.”
Mr Whelan pointed out the confusion over Russell’s past as the memorial was first vandalised in the 60s by right wing vandals who claimed the raised right arm was a communist salute and broke the appendage off.
Following this, the damaged arm was replaced posed downward instead of raised, but was removed in 2004 along with the statue’s head by a group who claimed Russell was going to round up Irish Jews in return for weapons from Hitler’s government.
“We will be cleaning this graffiti off again soon,” he added.
“The statue itself sits on a monument to men who died for the republican movement in the 1930s and that is the part these vandals chose to write their message on.
“We have no idea who did this, it could even be someone from the far right trying to create trouble.”
Local Labour Councillor, Aodhan O Riordain, is opposed to the new statue but says news that the statue has been vandalised is not a welcome development.
“I condemn the actions of the vandals, however it is clear that this statue is a continuing cause of controversy,” he stated.
“I do not consider it as appropriate that a public park has a statue dedicated to a Chief of Staff of the IRA during the Second World War who attempted to procure arms from the Nazi Government in Germany at the time.”
“This statue should be removed and a more appropriate memorial to the memory of Noel Browne, who spent his life committed to the successful eradication of TB in the 1940s and 1950s, should be erected.
“Alternatively a memorial to local author Bram Stoker should be considered.”END
Jul 14 2009 08:22
#4
It's more about what you do than what you call yourself, no?
He trained with the German military for 3 months, he planned the parachuting of a Nazi spy into Ireland and he raised the idea of a rag tag brigade of Irish POWs, all of which to challenge England. If that's not enough to tar you with the same brush, I don't know what is.
The other, Frank Ryan, could be thought as being extremely naivé, or had gone mad as some suggest. But even that doesn't wash with me.
Connollyite, the IRA at the time was openly collaborating with the fascists, from the leadership to certain members such as Seamus O'Donovan. And of course, it's easy to forget 600 of them went to fight for Franco years earlier, under a former IRA chief of staff.
Jul 14 2009 16:43
#5
I interviewed a man who was a member of the IRA at the time who confessed that they were collaborating with the nazis and went on to say that what hitler and mussolini did in spain was a good thing as they kept the communists out.
Jul 14 2009 18:59
#6
Given its nationalist aspirations, you could say that it was only "natural" for Irish Republicanism to be attracted to Britain's rivals. That's imperialism.
Jul 14 2009 22:42
#7
Its also anti-imperialism. The enemy of your enemy is friend nonsense. What did the IRA think germany would have done if the nazis got as far as Holyhead, stopped there?
Jul 14 2009 23:16
#8
No reason for Germany to invade its allies though, is there? It would probably have set up a puppet British government and handed NI over to the Dublin government. Can't see they'd be that bothered about conquering Ireland to be honest.
Jul 14 2009 23:42
#9
Germany had plans to invade Ireland as a platform to Britain,Plan Grun.
Jul 15 2009 09:17
#10
Aye, although it's said to be more of a threat rather than an actual invasion.
Infact, Plan Kathleen, redesigned by Kurt Student in 1941, a very real invasion of Northern Ireland, had no plans for the 'Free State' other than to respect its neutrality; this was from Hitler's mouth. Obviously, with Britain defeated, you'd wonder how truthful this fella was.
To be fair, all this talk of the IRA is a bit redundant as they featured less and less in the Nazis' plans as time went on. Once they found out how meagre they and their resources were, they were largely overlooked. It was overestimation on their part rather than the IRA's actual capabilities that even resulted in them being an option.
Jul 15 2009 18:42
#11
weeler wrote:
Germany had plans to invade Ireland as a platform to Britain,Plan Grun.
So, your question "Do you think they would have stopped at Holyhead?" was... rhetorical? Nonsensical? A trap?
The Germans going through Ireland (a neutral country, with at least a part of the ruling class sympathetic to the Nazis through anti-British sentiment, or for any other reason) to invade Britain is one thing, invading Britain (an enemy country) in order to attack a neutral country is something completely different.
Why would Germany have cared about Ireland if Britain was defeated? Has Ireland got great reserves of iron and coal I've not heard about? Did it have a vast population that would make convenient slaves for the Nazi war machine? Sure, there was a big industrial concetration in the north, but that was part of the British state anyway... and in the south, well, not so much industry.
Germany never invaded Spain and Portugal. Why not? Because it didn't need to. Why would it have needed to invade Ireland?
Jul 29 2009 21:37
#12
Vandalised again today. The cops are definitely taking a blind eye to it, especially now that republicans are publically associating themselves with it.
Jul 30 2009 07:36
#13
Taking a blind eye to what? Do you expect them to put 24hour security on it? While I don't see the point in engaging in a battle of semiotics with republicans I do think whoever is doing it are funny fuckers for wrecking it again after the 32csm tough guy threats.
Jul 30 2009 16:13
#14
Aug 27 2009 10:18
#15
The posting by 32CSM drips with hypocrisy. These are, are they not, the people who believe the cause of Irish unity (i.e. compulsory agreement with 32CSM/RIRA) can be achieved by blowing up memorials, and mourners including children, in the North. Daubing memorials is wrong but perhaps the full and unexpurgated version of Russell's life should be published, then we can all tell whether or not a memorial to him is appropriate.
Aug 27 2009 12:06
#16
weeler wrote:
PHOTOBUCKET NAZI STOOGES.
Aug 30 2009 11:07
#17
Aisling wrote:
The posting by 32CSM drips with hypocrisy. These are, are they not, the people who believe the cause of Irish unity (i.e. compulsory agreement with 32CSM/RIRA) can be achieved by blowing up memorials, and mourners including children, in the North. Daubing memorials is wrong but perhaps the full and unexpurgated version of Russell's life should be published, then we can all tell whether or not a memorial to him is appropriate.
That was the PIRA.
Who were the ''other'' fascists in Republican ranks?
I don't defend what Russell, did. I think it's morally indefensible. But I wouldn't consider him a nazi collaborator.