IWW Branchengruppe Metall- und Maschinen-ArbeiterInnen
Jun 29 2007 15:34
IWW Branchengruppe Metall- und Maschinen-ArbeiterInnen
Hallo Kolleginnen und Kollegen, es ist bald so weit.
Wir gründen in Schweinfurt (Franken) eine Branchengruppe der IU440 (Metal and Machinery Workers).
Wir sind in der Maschinenbaubranche beschäftigt und hoffen auf regen Zuwachs von Wobblies aus anderen Industriebetrieben.
Wir bitten Euch Kontakt mit uns aufzunehmen.
Nur gemeinsam sind wir stark gegen Arbeitgeberwillkür. Gerade jetzt, in der heissen Zeit der ERA Einführung, ist ein überregionler Kampf für eine gerechte Eingruppierung dringend geboten.
Kontakt bitte über: iww-schweinfurt(at)t-online.de
Besucht auch die Seite unseres TEAM´s im Betriebsrat: www.ute-online.eu
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Could someone please translate this for me?
Jun 30 2007 02:18
#2
It shouldn't be too hard to get translated, as there are several GLAMROC members who speak English.
Jun 30 2007 02:33
#3
feeling lazy. it's basically an intro. we're metal and maschine workers, we're based here, we want to talk to you, yada yada.
Jun 30 2007 02:46
#4
very roughly:
Quote:
IWW branch-group - Metal and Machine Workers/Workeresses
Hello, colleaguesses and colleagues.
We are founding in Schweinfurt a branch-group of the IU440 (Metal and Machinery Workers).
We are employed in the Mechanical engineering industry and hope for an increase of Wobs from other industrial groups.
We ask you to take up contact with us.
it's been years, mind
Jun 30 2007 04:02
#5
thanks!
Jun 30 2007 05:12
#6
Can one of you deutsch speakers please contact them and ask if any of them can read English?
Jun 30 2007 20:46
#7
they're fluent in english for sure.
Jun 30 2007 21:24
#8
I asked Lutz
Jul 1 2007 02:26
#9
Why didn't they join the FAU?
Jul 1 2007 02:39
#10
Quote:
Why didn't they join the FAU?
Aint the FAU just a German group? GLAMROC is spread over a number of different countries.
Jul 1 2007 03:00
#11
I thought the Branchengruppe Metall- und Maschinen-ArbeiterInnen is a German group. That's why I asked the question.
Jul 1 2007 03:18
#12
I don't know about them, but I think some people were more comfortable with a less ideologically "anarchist" union, but I really don't know all the details of how FAU functions, etc.
Jul 1 2007 04:20
#13
edit - pghwob said what i wanted to say
Jul 1 2007 14:02
#14
maybe they could clarify for us. From what I've been told the FAU isn't really organizing in Germany, and the german wobs want to organize. THere's prolly more to the story because i know some of the founders write articles for autonomist-type publications. Either way there is cooperation and good feelings from what I've been told with the FAU.
Jul 1 2007 14:13
#15
well well well, i always assumed the FAU was much bigger than wikipedia suggests...
Jul 1 2007 14:53
#16
Some of the stuff I've read (in English) on the FAU implies that they don't go out and actually push people to get organized, or have targeted campaigns, but rather state they will only help if people get organized themselves. Now, maybe something is garbled a bit in the translation (or maybe this is part of the autonomist tendency?), but the IWW always did push people to organize.
Jul 1 2007 21:55
#17
I would caution people not to compare Germany to the US or Canada (can't speak about UK).
I'm trying to figure out if these people are part of IG Metall, the mega-union that has significant organization in the metal and engineering sector 3.4 million white & blue collar). I suspect they may be. If so, they would function, to a large extent, no differently than the FAU might. I could be wrong however. In the
As for the FAU, it has been the most active and consistant libertarian workers organization in Germany for the past few decades. It organizes branches and would probably organize an industrial or union-wide branch if it had suffient numbers in a,b,c sector. So I really don't buy into the theory that it's just about pushing people to organize--whatever that means in the German context.
Jul 1 2007 23:31
#18
Its because their main membership is a bunch of unemployed subcultural kids.
Jul 2 2007 12:51
#19
x357997 writes "Its because their main membership is a bunch of unemployed subcultural kids."
?????????????? ------- I see where this is going.
syndicalist wrote: "I'm trying to figure out if these people are part of IG Metall, the mega-union that has significant organization in the metal and engineering sector 3.4 million white & blue collar). I suspect they may be. If so, they would function, to a large extent, no differently than the FAU might. I could be wrong however."
It was a fair question and observation. I've known members of the FAU for decades and they are hard working. decent militants of the first degree. I think your swipe is unfair and smug.
Funny, I've been around long enough to have heard the same comment made about the IWW many times over.
Later for you Mr. Rah-rah.
Jul 2 2007 14:48
#20
Mitch,
I don't know anything about the FAU or the German IWW. You might write to both of them about it (can someone supply contact info for the german wobs?). A member of my branch just went to Germany for the g8 thing, he met people from both groups and said that for those people at least they were on friendly terms. His impression was that some of the german wobs didn't feel they fit with or wanted to be part of an anarchist group. But I don't think it's a hostile thing and I don't think it should be portrayed that way w/ out a lot of evidence first.
later,
Nate
Jul 2 2007 15:54
#21
they've got emails up on the contacts bit of the iww.org site
Jul 2 2007 15:58
#22
x357997 wrote:
Its because their main membership is a bunch of unemployed subcultural kids.
I think you're talking shit about something you know nothing about. I've met a bunch of IWW members, and a bunch of FAU members. Of those that I've met, FAU had 0% unemployed subcultural kids, and IWW had about 60% (including students). But I'm not going to use that to slag off the IWW, cos I'm not a dickhead. I just think you should think before you speak, and if you don't know what you're talking about, you don't say anything.
pghwob wrote:
It shouldn't be too hard to get translated, as there are several GLAMROC members who speak English.
Jul 2 2007 22:43
#23
I move that GLAMROC members be forced to dress this way at all official IWW functions.
Jul 3 2007 01:46
#24
Hearing no second, the motion fails. Move the Agenda, please.
Jul 3 2007 02:55
#25
John. wrote:
x357997 wrote:
Its because their main membership is a bunch of unemployed subcultural kids.I think you're talking shit about something you know nothing about. I've met a bunch of IWW members, and a bunch of FAU members. Of those that I've met, FAU had 0% unemployed subcultural kids, and IWW had about 60% (including students). But I'm not going to use that to slag off the IWW, cos I'm not a dickhead. I just think you should think before you speak, and if you don't know what you're talking about, you don't say anything.
pghwob wrote:
It shouldn't be too hard to get translated, as there are several GLAMROC members who speak English.
heard that not only from a press release of theirs, the IWA secretary and from numerous syndicalists that have met them.
Jul 3 2007 04:05
#26
Nate,
At the same time I originally posted here, I wrote to a FAU comrade to get their comments.
I asked my questions cause I thought someone on this thread would have a perspective on the situation as there was a posting here. Figured I at least come away with something substantative or nothing if no one really knew anything.
"A member of my branch just went to Germany for the g8 thing, he met people from both groups and said that for those people at least they were on friendly terms. His impression was that some of the german wobs didn't feel they fit with or wanted to be part of an anarchist group. But I don't think it's a hostile thing and I don't think it should be portrayed that way w/ out a lot of evidence first."
Fair enough. But I don't think I was hostile in my initial questions. The one-liner by x-man, ticked me off. So be it.
Jul 3 2007 08:45
#27
x357997 wrote:
John. wrote:
x357997 wrote:
Its because their main membership is a bunch of unemployed subcultural kids.I think you're talking shit about something you know nothing about. I've met a bunch of IWW members, and a bunch of FAU members. Of those that I've met, FAU had 0% unemployed subcultural kids, and IWW had about 60% (including students). But I'm not going to use that to slag off the IWW, cos I'm not a dickhead. I just think you should think before you speak, and if you don't know what you're talking about, you don't say anything.
heard that not only from a press release of theirs, the IWA secretary and from numerous syndicalists that have met them.
Oh, so you saw a press release from the FAU saying "our main membership is a bunch of unemployed subcultural kids" did you? Got a link to it have you?
Rata probably doesn't like them, that's most likely true. But then I don't think rata likes anyone except the CNT anyway 
Jul 3 2007 09:06
#28
Rata called them a 'bunch of unemployed subcultural kids'.
This is hilarious.
We met Rata, he is an 'unemployed subcultural kid', himself.
Devrim
Jul 3 2007 09:15
#29
With rata if he's not saying they're a fascist mafia sect then that's a big compliment.
Jul 3 2007 09:36
#30
x357997 wrote:
the IWA secretary
This is totally out of line and not true. I had some remarks in that line about some individuals from FAU, in private conversation with X3, and of course I was not talking about the whole organization. I was talking about specific individuals. Comrade X3. please do not spread this kind of things, before you are sure what are you saying, beause it's create confusion and problems. I'm not sure you understand what you have said on this thread.
can't translate it, but it basically says that a rank-and-file metalworkers group in Sweinfurt have joined the IWW.
cool, wherever the details