IWW (Sab) cat fight
Jan 22 2008 08:53
Boy oh boy, anarcho-nutjob, Jon Bekken, is taking his authoritarian temper tantrums to a new low this week as he threatens a new round of expulsions of IWW officers.
What for? Enforcing e-mail list decorum rules!
Shouting censorship and accusing the new Executive Board Chair of subverting union democracy, Bekken is once again forgetting his own history. Never once did he stand up and protect democracy when the internal bulletin of the IWW stopped being published as mandated by the constitution in years 2004-05. Nor did he complain when financial reports ceased to be prepared and made available during 2005. Both are important pillars of the union's democratic traditions, but ones that can be evidently ignored by Bekken.
Jan 22 2008 11:13
#2
and brill, you a wob? How did you come by this info?
Cheers.
Jan 22 2008 11:14
#3
are you really in this?
Jan 22 2008 11:55
#4
Tacks wrote:
and brill, you a wob? How did you come by this info?Cheers.
Yes he is.
Jan 22 2008 11:56
#5
Tacks wrote:
are you really in this?
Yes he is.
Jan 22 2008 12:14
#6
that seems an interesting place to lay into the wobs from, if they are similar to the SPGB.
Jan 22 2008 12:40
#7
The SPGB had a little adventure in the BIROC a few years back, IIRC.
Jan 22 2008 15:53
#8
the button wrote:
The SPGB had a little adventure in the BIROC a few years back, IIRC.
Tell me more, but this time use a bit more evidence than your bullshit accusations of harboring peodophiles.
I was on the IWW G. Exec. Board at the time and visited the BIROC meeting.
Jan 22 2008 17:29
#9
Brill does this really need to get brought up here?
Members of the executive board that i've talked to have said that it's more complicated than you portrayed it.
Jan 22 2008 18:22
#10
fnbrill wrote:
the button wrote:
The SPGB had a little adventure in the BIROC a few years back, IIRC.Tell me more, but this time use a bit more evidence than your bullshit accusations of harboring paedophiles.
oh yeah....
Jan 22 2008 19:06
#11
Why are you sharing this? Transparency? or to score points in your continuing feud with Jon? Still either way it's a pretty crap way for Jon to start the year.
Jan 22 2008 19:25
#12
Jason Cortez wrote:
Why are you sharing this? Transparency?
Transparency.
Jason Cortez wrote:
or to score points in your continuing feud with Jon?
There's no fued. Bekken throws temper tantrums to get his way. I've been in long enough to give a historical context of his hypocracy.
Jason Cortez wrote:
Still either way it's a pretty crap way for Jon to start the year.
See folks, it's true.
Jan 22 2008 20:31
#13
OliverTwister wrote:
Members of the executive board that i've talked to have said that it's more complicated than you portrayed it.
Like causiing a shit-storm in the IWW so GHQ can move back to Phily next year. That's what I think the complexity is. We already know their candidate.
Jan 22 2008 21:50
#14
Jan 22 2008 22:40
#15
faaaaaaaascinating.
Jan 23 2008 00:49
#16
OliverTwister wrote:
I see you and raise you two 
Jan 23 2008 03:02
#17
I do not agree this is helpful.
Jan 23 2008 03:38
#18
Yeah, while I certainly have my thoughts on Bekken, this really seems like something that should be addressed internally first. Fuck, I'm just waiting for Revol to find his way to this thread...
Jan 23 2008 03:45
#19
pghwob wrote:
I do not agree this is helpful.
Just wait!
Jan 23 2008 10:08
#20
Quote:
We already know their candidate.
i'd be interested to hear who that might be. on PM though 
Jan 23 2008 10:09
#21
ps. i agree that this isn't the best place to discuss this sort of stuff in detail
Jan 23 2008 14:03
#22
but discussing it in generalities only teases the rest of us
Jan 23 2008 14:45
#23
hehe, yeah, it's like "well, you won't find out unless you join". it's a marketing ploy.
Jan 23 2008 16:06
#24
Believe me, it's not.
Jan 23 2008 17:58
#25
Bekken is naive and actually thinks that charges are a neutral and impersonal method to challenge the conduct of officers and other members.
Brill is paranoid and thinks that there is some sort of conspiratorial group controlling the union.
Brill also likes to smear shit on our laundry before he airs it in public.
Jan 23 2008 20:20
#26
OliverTwister wrote:
Bekken is naive and actually thinks that charges are a neutral and impersonal method to challenge the conduct of officers and other members.
I don't think he is naive. If anything, past behaviors indicate he is cunningly aware of his advantages in using/ threatening to use the charges system.
Basically, I think he is a bully.
Jan 23 2008 23:07
#27
OliverTwister wrote:
Brill is paranoid and thinks that there is some sort of conspiratorial group controlling the union.Brill also likes to smear shit on our laundry before he airs it in public.
Oliver, I've done political work with Bekken off and on since 1980. I first met him personally in 1986. So I've seen how he operates since before you were born.
I don't know what you are talking about in regards to shit smearing. I think you don't either. I've been raising these issues since 2001, since Buss started a covert campaign to smear me. When did you join and how are you so confident in the history?
But in anycase, at least I air the laundry. Other folks like to keep it hidden until it rots.
Jan 24 2008 00:39
#28
I just want to reiterate I don't think this is the place for this. I would advocate moving it to the FW's Brill's private forum where the background could be given in detail before we begin "shit-smearing" of any sort, but appears that's no longer in operation.
Jan 24 2008 02:02
#29
ftony wrote:
ps. i agree that this isn't the best place to discuss this sort of stuff in detail
You're right, this shouldn't be a place for this. But remember last time when public posting (regards the bringing of new issues at a trial hearing w/o the accused able to defend himself) ceased with promises to take up the issue internally.
Never happened.
Jan 24 2008 02:23
#30
I do applaud the title of the thread tho, quite creative
where is this then?