IWW (Sab) cat fight

Brill what do think you're accomplishing? You haven't made a peep about this internally. And last time there _was_ some discussion, which I dropped out of cuz I thought you were acting like a jerk and I was pretty emotionally involved in the issue so it was hard to handle that. I don't know why others didn't participate more, but I believe you engaged in namecalling at at least one of the other people in that discussion. None of that helps, fellow worker. And the way you talk about all this makes it sound like your motivation is personal feud rather than principles or politics. That's part of the problem that JF and JP used to have, which is part of why they didn't have more support in my opinion, cuz to newer people like me they seemed like cranks sometimes. (And I like JF a lot, he's a big part of why I joined.)

Here's a start: write to an IWW email list about this. Say "what do people think?" Or post on an IWW members-only forum with the same. If you don't know how to set up a members-only post on the IWW site email or call me (I just learned, it's not hard even for a technological idiot like me). If serious fall out were to result from all that, you've got backing. I'd support you and at least a few other people who read this site would and I bet people just reading the exchange would too.

Re: posting this on Libcom, you talk like you're trying to do something positive here but you're not going to. If anything you make people (at least some people, like me) who are open to hearing you out feel less sympathetic and hesitant to be associated with you. If you're serious about this stuff then you should approach like a serious organizer instead of whatever the approach you take is that uses libcom - polemicist or whatever.

Brill I'm all for airing our laundry - i was the one who brought up the no-strike clauses publically. I think airing our laundry like that forces us to confront it instead of ignore it.

This isn't the kind of laundry that needs to be aired though, at least not in the way you did it.

I haven't been following this situation closely but as I said i know at least two GEB members sympathize with JB's reasons for filing charges, even if they might consider the charges themselves silly. I have full faith and confidence in the GEB Chair who's being charged, but he made a somewhat sketchy decision and it seems JB is at least challenging him on it openly and honestly. I sincerely doubt that JB has any prior dislike for the Chair or considers them to be a political enemy - and if I'm wrong on this I'll pay an extra $50 in assessments.

eta: Also, do you really think these charges will go anywhere beyond a simple discussion of the CEB Chair's decision and whether it was appropriate or not? Because I don't, so I don't see the point talking about them unless its only to smear JB.

ok, soz.

You are off your rocker man.

Could you please let me know what these "direct ties" are? I am in general agreement with the idea of a pro-IWW anarchosyndicalist magazine, and on that basis I've offered to help create a myspace page for ASR and help distribute it - I haven't done anything on this for awhile though.

Is that what you're referring to? I doubt it, because I don't see how you'd know about that.

I'd guess you're referring to some personal relationships once-removed, and that a certain crazy ex-member has your ear, in which case you fall far far below all of the great things i've heard about you.

I still find this story hard to swallow - can you corroborate it? After all, it was another member of the ASR collective who proposed the constitutional amendment barring no-strike clauses a few years ago. Also as booey has mentioned you've never acted against the no-strike clauses in Portland, but you've claimed that this was due to the long reach of the "Phily camp" (to use your ridiculous term). This despite the fact that you all rightly expelled BB, who you claim was the philly operative, several years ago.

as long as we're discussing mental disorders:

Somehow people like you keep ascribing JB with the single-handed power to expel whomever he wants; this would be news to the rest of us, who generally find his use of charges to be tedious but are unaware that he single-handedly controls the organization or even how charges are ruled on.

Maybe you're totally right; but on the other hand maybe buss called you crazy because you are?

Which brings us back to this:

Every 2 weeks you start another thread on here detailing how JB secretly controls the organization, and each time its clear to anyone who actually knows the situation, that you are telling very carefully selected parts of the full story. Yet each time you do this you must be expecting that finally, this time, you will inspire us all to rise up and overthrow the "Phily camp" that secretly controls the organization without our knowledge.

Face it, you're a broken record.

OH DIS! oliver is accusing you of airing internal union shit on libcom. that means you messed up holmes.

We shouldn't be discussing this here. It's bad form. You know most of us. you could just call instead and chat.

Also, accusing oliver of too much activity is a smear! i've been trying to get him to write for ASR for months (which could be a good iww paper if we all chipped in and started writing for it). Oliver's assessment of his level of inactivity is accurate.

ASR- not everyone in ASR thinks the same. just think of the no-strike issue. Some hardline (that's the way uh huh uh huh i like it). Some not.

i hope my slander, spurs oliver to be more active in anti-no strike clause electioneering and pamphleteering

Where'd you hear that from?

Its true, i said that in a joking context where some others were describing themselves as "brillites".

As I admitted on this forum when brill accused me of being a self-described "bekkenite".

How is this relevant? I've heard that you once described yourself as Duke's girlfriend, but I don't hold it against you.

Can you offer some quotes of where I've defended "them" in "their own terms"? So far all I've said on this subject is that the issue was more complicated than you implied (which it is); i think charges are uncalled for.

Presumably you're talking about the recent expulsion of JF? I support that but not because Bekken told me to. In fact i'm pretty sure that the Chair who bekken is charging supported it too.

Also I've talked to bekken for a total of around 2 hours in my entire life and buss even less. I've never even emailed her. What do you consider "closely in contact"? In fact i'm in far closer contact with the Chair who Bekken is charging and probably have a closer level of agreement with said chair.

Finally its pretty rich that you of all people are accusing me of working in a conspiratorial manner.

such as?

Ooo, look at the big shot union organizer.

Do you talk this kinky to all the workers you meet?

Perfect.

No. Paradise is pretty sweet. I have a problem with the anarchist movement using people's partners as a way to give political credibility or lack thereof to people.

I'm pretty sure i've seen you make jokes about Alexis dating/marrying Bekken and then having his kid.

Thats the impression i get - i wasn't aware it was a talking point.

Which would explain your tolerant attitude towards him.

I dont see how it could be otherwise given that you dismiss them politically every time you mention their names.

Anyways your original point is well taken and i offer my apologies to you and Rogue.

Not over fucking a cop. Over being embarrassed for fucking a cop.

Edit -> Besides. Cops ain't people. Thats like making fun of someones dildo.