Another classic from the US "anarchist movement"

Submitted by Re Public on 4 September, 2006 - 18:32.
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The final two scheduled events of the day were a workshop put on by Dr. Jeanine Pfahlert, on homemade sex toys, primarily butt plugs,
and a presentation on autonomous marxism and its relationship to
anarchism put on by University of Toledo professor Manuel Yang, in
which he suggested that Marx, in his later years, had begun to
gravitate toward a primitivist ideology.

US, Another Report From 2006 Great Lakes Anarchist Gathering
http://www.ainfos.ca/en/ainfos18453.html

4 September, 2006 - 19:31

marx the primitivist :?

that's a creative reading. his last works wer the volumes of capital pretty much, and he clearly points out that technology is used by the ruling class to enslave workers (24 hour production to suit machines etc), but i don't get even a hint he'd like to abandon the march of dialectical history and return to primitive communism :?

i wish primmos would just hurry up and unlearn language and fuck off to the forest grin

4 September, 2006 - 19:41
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The nighttime walk across campus
served as a chance for some to release all the energy they'd stored up
by sitting inside most of the day, and several let their feral side show,
stripping off their shirts and giving chase to a rabbit, which they
apparently planned on making into a late night snack.

Well at least they aren't vegans smile

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Males were then evicted from the main room so that a women's
sexual and reproductive health workshop could take place. Issues
such as natural and alternative contraception and menstrual devices
and techniques were discussed among the women, while the men
mainly gathered in the literature room and played with a rubber ball.

Contraception is a woman's responsibility, send the men off to play with a ball in the meantime...

Joseph K. wrote:
i wish primmos would just hurry up and unlearn language and fuck off to the forest

smile

4 September, 2006 - 19:58
jef costello wrote:
Well at least they aren't vegans smile

Sounds like freegans - arguably worse.

4 September, 2006 - 20:02

To be fair, at least as freegans, they're more likely to die of food poisoning.

4 September, 2006 - 20:12
madashell wrote:
To be fair, at least as freegans, they're more likely to die of food poisoning.

But that'll provide food for others sad

4 September, 2006 - 20:14

I hope the alternative contraceptions didn't include "herbal abortions" (i.e. hippie-fied idiocy).

4 September, 2006 - 21:10
Joseph K. wrote:
marx the primitivist :?

that's a creative reading. his last works wer the volumes of capital pretty much, and he clearly points out that technology is used by the ruling class to enslave workers (24 hour production to suit machines etc), but i don't get even a hint he'd like to abandon the march of dialectical history and return to primitive communism :?

i wish primmos would just hurry up and unlearn language and fuck off to the forest grin

Actually, Marx spent much of his last decade studying the Russian agricultural commune, which is why he never finished Vol 2 & 3 of Capital. "Gravitating towards primitivist ideology" is pushing it a bit far though...

4 September, 2006 - 21:20

ok fair enough i didn't know that and i'll take your word for it. primmos are anti-agriculture too though as its the source of surpluses that make class societies (and a decent standard of living) possible, so yeah, still pushing it a bit far tongue

4 September, 2006 - 21:57
Refused wrote:
I hope the alternative contraceptions didn't include "herbal abortions" (i.e. hippie-fied idiocy).

Doesn't that basically consist of women poisoning themselves until they have a miscarriage?

Fucking primmos.

4 September, 2006 - 22:35

Yeah, and massages that induce miscarriage. I've heard a fair bit about it, doesn't fill me with confidence. I mean I can certainly see the appeal of being in control of your own abortion or miscarriage rather than going to a hospital, BUT I can't see the appeal of risking your fertility and general well being for it, nor does it seem like that kind of method leaves you any more in cntrol of it than a "proper" abortion neutral

5 September, 2006 - 07:56
madashell wrote:
Doesn't that basically consist of women poisoning themselves until they have a miscarriage?

There are fucking good reasons not to go anywhere near an abortion clinic, especially if you're in the US. The experience is often quite deliberately humiliating, frequently excessively painful and can be very damaging to fertility. I can't remember the figures on things going wrong, but they're much higher than you'd expect for this kind of proceedure.

Given that kind of choice, I'd be looking for alternatives too.

5 September, 2006 - 08:24

Parody, surely?

Too many bits that are too similar to that primmo gahtering a few years ago we mocked on here...

Especially the bit kicking men out of womens health.

5 September, 2006 - 08:25

At least they got a rubber ball.

Where's my rubber ball? sad

5 September, 2006 - 09:00
Jack wrote:
Parody, surely?

Too many bits that are too similar to that primmo gahtering a few years ago we mocked on here...

Especially the bit kicking men out of womens health.

Yeah, that one the primmo who wrote the report said the women had their space, in which they talked about women things while the men went off and made fire grin

5 September, 2006 - 09:02

Yea, the 'played with a rubber ball' just kinda seemed to have the same role.

5 September, 2006 - 10:52

i can't see anything wrong with a having a women's health meeting which bans men - if someone wants a mixed health or a men's health meeting i'm sure they could organise one.

given the macho or wannabe macho behaviour of most primmo men it's hardly surprising that women would want their own space

5 September, 2006 - 10:54

I agree totally. Why should men care about female health?

I think separating it off as a womens issue that has nothing to do with men is the way forward.

5 September, 2006 - 11:02

if enough people want a meeting about women's health which is open to men and women then one can be organised - that doesnt prevent women from also having their own meeting.

5 September, 2006 - 11:08
pepe carvalho wrote:
if enough people want a meeting about women's health which is open to men and women then one can be organised - that doesnt prevent women from also having their own meeting.

Well I'm not going to physically stop them.

Doesn't mean it's not fucking stupid, and you'd expect it to be pointed out to them.

5 September, 2006 - 11:24

i don't think it's stupid at all - free association! smile)

5 September, 2006 - 11:28

Did you get the note from 1983 asking for its politics back, btw?

5 September, 2006 - 12:01

:?

5 September, 2006 - 17:01
ticking_fool wrote:
Given that kind of choice, I'd be looking for alternatives too.

Well ingesting large amounts of toxic chemicals which will bring you to within an inch of your life is more like stupidity than an alternative. Now, I hope the drug addicts aren't offended. grin

6 September, 2006 - 12:23

How about the "do it yourself" abortion recipe in the "slingshot organizer" hand book which was COMPLETELY WRONG. One of my closest comrades from Baltimore is an Abortion Clinician and this stuff pisses her off to no fucking end. I think people forgot that DIY remedies are supposed to keep you alive while you struggle for healthcare access, not REPLACE real healthcare access out of some sort of hippy ethic.

6 September, 2006 - 18:03
revolutionrugger wrote:
How about the "do it yourself" abortion recipe in the "slingshot organizer" hand book which was COMPLETELY WRONG. One of my closest comrades from Baltimore is an Abortion Clinician and this stuff pisses her off to no fucking end. I think people forgot that DIY remedies are supposed to keep you alive while you struggle for healthcare access, not REPLACE real healthcare access out of some sort of hippy ethic.

I have a slingshot organiser - won't be trying out it's DIY abortion recipe then.

Saying that though, I'd try most things bar knitting needles to avoid a hospital abortion.

6 September, 2006 - 20:08

Why? you could puncture your uterus, a small bit of the product of conception could be left in you and you'd go toxic, you could get a deadly bacterial infection from your cervix being dilated without antibiotic precautions. WHY oh WHY would you avoid the hospital??
I really hate this anti-medical-establishment stuff. Particularly all the hippys who tell me to stop taking my bi-poloar medication. Dude, not a good idea.. I want MORE access to doctors and hospitals not less. And I want it for free. Call me a crazy communist or something.

6 September, 2006 - 20:11
revolutionrugger wrote:
Why? you could puncture your uterus, a small bit of the product of conception could be left in you and you'd go toxic, you could get a deadly bacterial infection from your cervix being dilated without antibiotic precautions. WHY oh WHY would you avoid the hospital??
I really hate this anti-medical-establishment stuff. Particularly all the hippys who tell me to stop taking my bi-poloar medication. Dude, not a good idea.. I want MORE access to doctors and hospitals not less. And I want it for free. Call me a crazy communist or something.

that's a euphemism and a half there mate.

6 September, 2006 - 20:23

Thats what its called by Clinic workers here in the states. Its not a euphemism. Its just tissue.

6 September, 2006 - 20:27

aye that's what i thought. Why not just say dead tissue?

6 September, 2006 - 22:04
revolutionrugger wrote:
Why? you could puncture your uterus, a small bit of the product of conception could be left in you and you'd go toxic, you could get a deadly bacterial infection from your cervix being dilated without antibiotic precautions. WHY oh WHY would you avoid the hospital??
I really hate this anti-medical-establishment stuff. Particularly all the hippys who tell me to stop taking my bi-poloar medication. Dude, not a good idea.. I want MORE access to doctors and hospitals not less. And I want it for free. Call me a crazy communist or something.

I'd never try to persuade anyone else to avoid the medical establishment, but I'd much prefer to induce a miscarriage at home than have to go through doctors.