Batman: the Dark Knight

Yes.

He definitely deserves the oscar, hype or no hype.

oh, a little worried they have chucked in 2 face/harvey dent this early on. If its the jokers film its the jokers film. 2 Face is a different and equally disturbing premise, hope he isn't wasted.

LW what the fuck has this got to do with hating on Ledger?
It's a good film and he is very good in it.

Cos you were all really mean about his death and now you are all praising his work -seems a tad contradictory that is all.

Jess

I bet Wall-E is amazing - only reason i haven't seen it yet is because i know it is part inspired by awesome 1971 film "Silent Running" which i found really moving as it is and i thought the cuteness of Wall-E might just finish me off. (embarrassing tears in cinema alert)

*possible spoilers*

So...who's the villain in Batman 3?

For obvious reasons it can't be the Joker. The ending doesn't leave any loose ends that could pertain to Two-Face's possible return which is a disappointment since I wanted to see Nolan adapt the Long Halloween story arc in the same way he used Batman: Year One for Batman Begins.

The Scarecrow is still alive but while potentially formidable and frightening, he's kind of been shown to be a pushover for Batman in the last two movies. This makes me think that he'll only be used as a crony...perhaps in an Arkham related story arc. But even this seems unlikely since Arkham is best used to present Batman with a rogue's gallery of opponents and the last two movies haven't really given us much to work with (Scarecrow being the only one, really). A very unlikely but very cool possibility would be the portrayal of Scarecrow in the recently released Gotham Night animated short in which he is raising an army of street people in the sewers of Gotham.

In this particular short, Batman also encounters Killer Croc and it makes for a great fight scene...which is about all that Croc is good for. Bane would also fill this role but could be used as an actual character too.

Mr. Freeze would be a stretch but the level of technology seen in Nolan's vision may allow people to suspend disbelief. It would be wonderful to see the character redeemed from Arnold Schw(impossible to spell)egger's abomination. Perhaps he could be portrayed as a rogue weapons developer who had been working for Wayne Enterprises and managed to steal tons of freeze-related weaponry in order to lay a siege on Gotham. Keep in mind that anything short of apocalypse falls short compared to the first two movies!

This is an exceedingly short list considering the huge amount of DC villians one could choose from...but Batman villains are a unique bunch, generally devoid of any power apart from their own cunning and ambition. Nolan's vision of Batman's world makes the list even shorter: someone like the Penguin or the Riddler would seem boring after the degree of mayhem wrought by Joker in Dark Knight! Furthermore, their getups (that's Texan for outfits) would just look ridiculous. Perhaps the Riddler could be cast as a crony of the real bad guy...possibly as a computer hacker played by the guy from Doctor Who.

The only other realistic villain I can come up with would be the serial killer Zsaasz who is pretty scary...but not really capable of bringing Gotham to its knees.

yeah it's sick, I reckon they will recast the Joker, what's he just going to sit in jail for Batman 3?

*spoiler*

I thought Batman was going to drop the fucker, that would have been better I think. That was awesome when he was falling to his death and just laughing 'ha ha ha'

*spoiler*

Since Ra's al Ghul, Joker, and Two-Face are all dead/done (there'd be rioting in the streets if they recast Joker after that performance), some thoughts on villains.

Out:
Mr Freeze
Poison Ivy
Riddler
Penguin
Clayface
Killer Croc

Possible:
Scarecrow
Harley Quinn
Catwoman
Anarky

Top Picks:
Ventriloquist/Scarface
Bane

Hmm dunno because Nolan seems to be doing the names and personalities or the raw villains, but stripping out the gimmicks - eg. Joker doesn't use joker venom - which means for example that a poison ivy could be done without her needing to have toxic blood. So given that level of re-imagining, it could be various - though yeah penguin would be shit, as would catwoman and clayface. Tbh Mr Freeze wouldn't work either I think, not as a lead character.

It's not going to be scarecrow btw, because he's used on the side of the vigilantes in the opening fight scene and is clearly too pathetic a character now to be capable of running the third movie. Bane couldn't be used in isolation because he's not smart enough, they need smarts or they'll just get rolled over by batman's superior technology.

Black mask?

You can get some really deranged psychological stuff out of the master/puppet concept, I wouldn't rule it out.

There's also the possibility that several of the smaller/more realistic characters will surface at once, to continue the theme of escalation - that kind of diffuse chaos could be just as effective as the Joker's one-man band.

I reckon they could do a reimagined Bane pretty cool if they did it based on Knightfall, surely? Maybe even combining elements from Venom (the book not the spiderman villain) into it...

It'd make a nice change - both the Joker and Ra's did things 'intellectually' (despite Ra's ninja skills, the film concentrated on him as a mastermind in the shadows type), whereas Bane would just be hard as fuck.

What the fuck are you on about Weeler?
Going out to the cinema is socialising. Weeler 2.0 is fail again.

Wall-E is really good.

Everyone on this thread with opinions about the villain in the next film is a nerd and needs a life.

I went to see Wall-e on my own

Nothing wrong with going to cinema by yourself.
It's only bad if you crave constant acceptance and validation and can't stand to be alone with your depressive.
Personally I find the voices in my head fascinating and dead funny, their commentary during films is excellent.