it happens there from time to time..
anyway- well done!
chilean insurrectionists bomb UK embassy
Nothing like a good bombing to bring down the fuzz on the serious anarchist movement...anybody see the reports of the greek 'insurrectionists' bombing the headquarters of the direct action movement--or whatever it's called--during the wave of ''anarchist" violence a few months back? I saw some great pictures of some of the insurrectionists and it was telling about how they view themselves--posing in some stairway with their red-n-black flags with molotovs, wearing balaclavas...posing as if they were superheros. It almost fucking made me sick.
revol68- I didnt notice that I insulted you in any way, but something tells me that only cretin around was your dad that made another creting like you 
knightrose- nobody was injured in attack, so stop moaning about non-existent victims.
Serious anarchist movement? Now thats fucking funny- what do you consider serious? Writing intellectual papers that no decent person can read because they are so fucking boring or not possible to understand for anybody but academics? As for Greek pictures- how did you guess they were insurrectionalists? Because they had balaclavas on? Fucking hell, now it really scares me to read some of people posting here because you seem to be really bunch of moaning c..nts and nothing else. I can almost bet that you never did anything even vaguely illegal, convincing everybody that its not your cowardice but its just "not the right time".
Much as I'm not big on some of the rudeness that people use on Libcom, the following comment:
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is totally appropriate here.
Right, now I'm off to write some boring stuff. Later on, I might even do something really daring like drive through an amber traffic light... and I may even tut and roll my eyes at an unsuspecting policeman in the street.
Joseph K.- you are really simplyfying my thought. I never said those are only two options available for anarchist movement, but having been part of it for about 14 years I simply see that for some people anarchism exists only in word of papers, endless discussions and never any deeds. I am far from criticizing Chilean anarchists for what they did. I might have technical/tactical criticism about this particular method, but I am not going to slag them off and call anybody who supports them "cretin".
Once again- no body was injured in this attack, right?
the criticism isn't of this particular act per se, but of 'propaganda by the deed' by which a small group of anarchos is meant to instigate social change by vanguard acts of symbolic violence/assassinations etc. i don't think you can reduce critics of that to bookish do-nothings, although doing nothing is still better than doing counter-productive stuff for the sake of it.
revol68 wrote:
EasternBarbarian wrote:
it happens there from time to time..
anyway- well done!yeah brilliant
admin - abuse deleted - no flaming in this forum.
It's in libcomunity and it's entirely fucking appropriate!
cheerleading on dipshit insurrectionists is bad enough cheerleading dipshit insurrectionists who uncritically big up the brutal scum fucks blowing up markets in Iraq is something else.
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Once again- no body was injured in this attack, right?The problem is that that's just fortunate. the comment about cleaners related to the Angry Brigade in Britain in the 70s. The only person they injured was a proletarian. (By mistake, of course)
it was a copper, wasn't it?
revol68 wrote:
revol68 wrote:
EasternBarbarian wrote:
it happens there from time to time..
anyway- well done!yeah brilliant
admin - abuse deleted - no flaming in this forum.
It's in libcomunity and it's entirely fucking appropriate!
It wasn't in libcommunity when you posted it. I moved the thread, another admin must've edited at the same time.
catch wrote:
revol68 wrote:
revol68 wrote:
EasternBarbarian wrote:
it happens there from time to time..
anyway- well done!yeah brilliant
admin - abuse deleted - no flaming in this forum.
It's in libcomunity and it's entirely fucking appropriate!
It wasn't in libcommunity when you posted it. I moved the thread, another admin must've edited at the same time.
Youse guys need to read The Platform! This sort of thing isn't good enough!
oh, its simply fucking pointless discussing with you lot... luckily for you guys thanks to wonders of internet you can insult people without any consequences- had it been in face to face discussion I guess you wouold keep your mouth shut.
Joseph K.- I am going to be in your town pretty soon, perhaps we can continue this discussion in Cowley, because I dont feel like wasting my time here with guys like revol68, whos main area of anarchist activity can be seen by number of posts he out on that forum.... eh , virtual revolutionaries...
EasternBarbarian wrote:
as for Angry Brigade- yeah, as far as I rememebr from books, person injured there wasa copper- do you consider them proletarians as well?
That's a stupid question. I don't them remember them injuring a copper - just maiming a cleaner at Carr's house.
It's better doing posts here than planting bombs about the place.
EB, have you lived in brighton before? i knew a polish antifa guy who quite liked the angry brigade
i'll just say it's not a case of 'waiting for the right time' (which never arrives) but of how we see revolutionary social change occurring. for me, only class struggle can do it, so propaganda by the deed detached from such struggle is a substitutionist dead end, or even counter-productive. there may be tactical reasons for covert illegal activity in connection with class struggles, or in particularly repressive regimes where open organisation is impossible, but we shouldn't kid ourselves that the more illegal/covert something is the more revolutionary it is (necessarily), especially when it's done by small groups of anarchos in lieu of class struggles. i don't think it's a coincidence that urban guerrila/propaganda by the deed seems to flourish after the defeat of class movements, i think it's an expression of class defeat.
EasternBarbarian wrote:
luckily for you guys thanks to wonders of internet you can insult people without any consequences- had it been in face to face discussion I guess you wouold keep your mouth shut.
What, because if we did it to their faces, they'd bomb our homes?
it wasn'ta copper - it was a cleaner.
I totally agree with JK about the substitutionist nature of insurrectionary activity. And it's not fair of EB to falsely suggest that those who post on here do nothing else. It just makes you look ill-informed to make such accusations.
Joseph K. wrote:
there may be tactical reasons for covert illegal activity in connection with class struggles, or in particularly repressive regimes where open organisation is impossible, [...] especially when it's done by small groups of anarchos in lieu of class struggles.
How would you tell the difference, if overt class struggle were impossible?
winjer wrote:
Joseph K. wrote:
there may be tactical reasons for covert illegal activity in connection with class struggles, or in particularly repressive regimes where open organisation is impossible, [...] especially when it's done by small groups of anarchos in lieu of class struggles.How would one tell the difference, if overt class struggle were impossible?
not easily, though given as Chile isn't a totalitarian state it's not all that relevant here. certainly there's ambiguity around say the remnants of the spanish anarchist movement who kept fighting franco. on the one hand, what else were they to do? on the other hand, what did they hope to achieve? survival i guess, since i'd guess many had no choice but be guerrillas as they were wanted anyway ... certainly not a mode of action we should be select when given the choice imho
i mean even in totalitarian states it's better to try and build an underground class movement that has the potential to overthrow the state rather than just irritating it with the odd dead copper or explosion. if this was possible in stalinist russia, i wouldn't rule it out anywhere.
what!!! I remember something similar happening in either chile or bolivia a few months back around an election.
How common is this current in latin america? I didn't know there were any anarcho-bombers outside of greece and italy really, and even then they are rarely proper timebombs.