Oh and 'make me a christian' - I'll watch that shit.
As I suspect will Bob Savage and Dee.
Religion.
For Conor - TV Times - 9 - 15 August 2008
LW, why wasn't KILL IT, SKIN IT, WEAR IT on your list?
I should have been asked to present it actually, that woman was an idiot "I ony eat free range meat but I never thought about where my fur comes from. Now I am going to throw all my fur in the rubbish instead of giving it to Jess."
AND she didn't even wear it, as promised in the title!
Jess wrote:
LW, why wasn't KILL IT, SKIN IT, WEAR IT on your list?
Good question, it would have made the cut if it hadn't been such a busy week for political progs, i try to not to have more than 6-8 entries so it is not offputtingly long for impatient types or those with low attention spans... 
Also a long indulgent-sounding prog about the lives of middle-class women in diff. cultures would also have made the cut - but i had to prioritise!
Didn't see the fur thing as i knew it would upset me.
Make Me A Christian was v. watchable tho. That halfwit who sleeps around without using a condom is such a fucking prat. I loved his discomfort at the clap clinic. 
dee wrote:
leave it xconorx you fruit. Go and help Weeler and Jess plan the wedding or summat.Btw Lone Wolf, it did sound a bit like porn music in the first episode on Darwin - i'm curious to see if it comes back now..
I know. Funny wasn't it? 
Shame the programme-makers didn't have a bit more faith in the substance of the prog for it to not need that distraction.
Doubt if it will feature in part 2 - if someone puts that over images of eugenics progs than, quite frankly, they should be shot.
The fur program was quite disturbing. There was a fox that was skinned alive and then was walking around without any skin. It was in china, and someone I was watching it with said "They're all evil in china, they eat dogs." lol
I was really frustrated by how biased, hysterical and misogynistic the program was, as usual. I'd have concluded that fur farming should be legalised in the UK so it can be regulated. People who can afford to wear fur can afford 'ethical' clothes, after all.
I don't really give a shit though, I'd wear the fur of that fox that got skinned alive. Lifestylists!
Channel 4 should give me my own show about running an ethical mink farm, and by the end of the series I'd have a coat. like what Janet Street Porter did with the veal calves on the F Word.
ps do animal charities still give old fur coats to homeless people? *rubs dirt on face, goes to sit outside budgens*
God. I love fur.
i saw that documentary on fur by mccartney and his ex-bint. i liked that bit where she was outside this guy's office (some fur company or someting i dunno) waiting for ages, but he was basically not coming out. then out of nowhere he pokes his head around the door and says "i can't listen to you when you're wearing leather shoes".
then she, and one of the journalists who came along, were all 'i'm not!' 'she's not!' and the guy went back inside again. i just like the thought that the guy was sat in his office stressing about getting rid of them, and someone just said to him 'hey maybe she's wearing leather that's animal skin too ya know' 'oh man that is so clever i'll go and give her what for right now'.
he shoulda just tried something like 'how ethical is your pegleg, bitch?'. he'd come across as the better guy for doing so too, these days.
I'll have to watch 'make me a christian' on 4OD later
I like Charlie Brooker's review though
"He scatters Christian joy like a muckspreader flings shit: indiscriminately and everywhere."
Charlie Brooker's dope. they don't show Screenwipe on tv nearly enough.
and if that guy genuinely tried to get the dragon removed from the Welsh flag, he very well might just become my favourite Christian of all time.
Well, the second Darwin prog was OK. I'm a bit perplexed by the advertising surrounding it tho - lots of stuff on cars, age - 'defying' creams and whatnot. I would have liked a more concerted discussion between Dawkins and the critic who was so wound up about the use of the term selfish, but I s'pose they've got a lot to get through in an hour.
Charlie Brooker is excellent, tho his imagination regarding Mick Hucknall's 'Pink Pancakes' is disturbing. http://www.tvgohome.com/020499.html
I particularly like his Take on TV Go Home for Valentine's Day...
[http://www.tvgohome.com/valentine-2002.html]
dee wrote:
that's him. Was this the proposal you were working on before? If i didn't congratulate you before, I'll do it now - well done!
Odd to see the Naked Cowboy. Dawkins looked a tad uncomfortable...
Conor you are presenting on this subject in NY? That is awesome! 
Dee
I was wondering if anyone would mention the Naked Cowboy. i felt a bit embarrassed too! Was he supposed to represent the pinnacle of male sexual attractiveness? 
I would rather be a peahen, who via my lusty eye, shapes the evolution of the opposite sex.
Jack wrote:
xConorx wrote:
God this is where I turn into a hippy animal rights nut:Wearing fur is not cool you fucking wankers.
Of all uses of animal products, fur is by far one of the most ethical, since one coat lasts for years.
If you keep it in cold storage in between use. If you don't then you're obviously common as muck.
I only just had a chance to submit this so herewith extra copy - not just for Conor, but i am seeing how many threads i can aim at him atm, it has to be something of interest to him tho, i can't cheat, i would only be cheating myself.
This weeks pick is the exploration by Richard Dawkins of the consequences for human society both in theory and as actualised by often unscrupulous others of his pivotal finding of the existence of the process of natural selection.
Other highlights include explorations of the regimes of Sudan in the 1980's and Uganda in the 1970's and policing methods from this latter decade also.
Sunday 10 August - 7 - 8pm - Channel 4 - Make Me A Christian - 1/3
The Rev. George Hargreaves, operating in the Leeds area, attempts to convert a range of volunteers to Christianity, ranging from the open-minded to the openly hostile. His would-be converts include an atheist, a middle-class family and a Muslim schoolteacher.
Sunday 10 August - 10.30pm - 12am - BBC2 - The John Akii-Bua Story: an African Tragedy
At the infamous Munich Olympics of 1972, Ugandan John Akii-Bua won a gold medal in the 400m hurdles, setting a new world record. Despite this towering achievement, however, he was destined to return home to tragedy, blighted as his country was by the murderous corruption of Idi Amin's regime. Members of his tribe were among those specifically earmarked for persecution and annihilation and he was forced to flee to Kenya in 1979.
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Monday 11 August - 8 - 9pm - Channel 4 - The Genius of Charles Darwin - 2/3
In this weeks pivotal documentary, Dawkins explores some of the consequences for human society that have sprung from Darwin's concept of natural selection. Some of his ideas have been perverted in ways that the man himself would no doubt have been horrified by, such as the promulgation of theories of eugenics. Other aspects of the programme deal with the threat to the then established Victorian Christian order in society in which human beings were considered to be a creature apart from and superior to all others and not related in any way to members of the animal kingdom.
Monday 11 August - 9 - 10pm - BBC4 - The Real Life On Mars
Beginning BBC4's "Britcop" strand, this light-hearted documentary reveals the truth about policing in Britain in the 1970's featuring interviews with career criminals and police chiefs in order to see if there was any substance to the portrayal by Philip Glennister of DCI Gene Hunt in popular recent retro cop drama "Life on Mars".
Tuesday 12 August - 10 - 11.40pm - More4 - True Stories: the Lost Boys
This documentary in the consistently high-quality "True Stories" strand chronicles the lives of a group of youngsters who fled Sudan in 1987 and escaped to a Kenyan refugee camp.
Wednesday 13 August - 9 - 10pm - BBC2 - House of Saddam - 3/4
By May 1995, Saddam is being threatened by weapons inspectors probing Iraq, and the biting effect of economic sanctions applied by other countries. His eldest son, Uday, is descending further into madness and Hussein distracts himself by copying out the Koran in his own blood, before wreaking further terrible revenge on those he considers have betrayed him.
Friday 15 August - 10 - 11.55pm - More4 - The Road to Guantanamo
This documentary tells the story of three young men from the Midlands who were imprisoned as suspected members of an al-Qaeda terrorist cell. Wishing only to attend the wedding of one of their number in Pakistan and to purely pay a visit to Afghanistan, they were nonetheless held without charge for over two years and forced to endure long bouts of torture and interrogation. Michael Winterbottom is understandably searing in his critique.